☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺

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  • Usually those users only get temporary bans anyway for the time out, but they are not trigger given, it is important that people are able to talk and work out there differences. Perma bans should be reserved only for people who are unable to contenue or have shown they are operating in bad faith, or where one of the few people who did not fit and sliped through anyway

    I am also not saying nor will I ever say we should disallow people who are curious, I am refering to the people who in there application forms will say something like “I am a socialist, I like what norway does, but I hate tankies they are just as bad as the Nazis” Given we are a community of ML’s would someone who thinks ML’s are akin to nazis be a good fit, for the people inside or for them themselves? I would say no, that would result in a ban fairly quickly, and the ban would only add to an athoritarian world view of us. What would be better is to direct them to a place they can learn more, and when they have learned more let them in



  • I am a mod on GZD and over on the GZD matrix. I can say on the lemmygrad community we tend to mostly rely on the Lemmygrad entry form so I cannot speak much from that, however on the Matrix, I can tell you that the questions stop an astonishing amount of bad actors from getting in, and it is not as if we assume that there is no cost for answering questions, that is a frequent topic of discussion, however it has become an invaluable tool in preventing bad actors from joining.

    as for your points, I can speak to them from my personal experence

    1. I do not think anyone here is agueing for a “high barier to entry” what we are arguing is where that barrier threshold is, the danger with setting it too low ontop of spammers, is that it is easy to get people who are not even bad actors but not a fit for the comunity (think “nordic model socialists”) from entering and changing the dinamic sudenly, especialy when mods cannot be everywhere all the time, we have lives outside of this, and needs for sleep too
    2. bans are generaly distructive to culture building, aswell as what is seen as “over moderation” it is generaly better and more of a learning experence if things can be tought by individuals to each other. if we go around banning new accounts frequently what you get is 2 things an unwelcoming attitude, or atleast preseption of such, and you will start to get people scared to post anything untill after they hit said threshold, and that leads to … does the new account timer count up while banned, does it count if they only lurk? what if they are a frequent poster but with an unmemorable username? all of these exist when modding normaly but become a bigger deal when it becomes explicit policy that there is a fast trigger on new people
    3. First look above, and second a perma ban is a full severing of ties with a comunity and a person and should not be handled lightly, sure you may have appeal rules, where an individual may come back and apeal the ban later saying they have learned but it is still drastic. This is also how you start to get mass group think when mods and admins are willing to not just ban but perma ban for any infraction or going out of line
    4. that is advocating ban evasion, not only does ban evasion now remove any real power from the moderator, besides removing comments, but it is now explicitly allowing the people who had to be banned to re-enter, and with your very low barrier to entry, there is now no check or appeal, you have created a revolving door of bad actors and now every mod action is just a battle of attrition between the mod and the bad actor, ontop of the game of hide and seek

  • I want to say, I would have agreed with you that the questions do not stop bad actors, and that they are simple to get past, but I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bad actors who cannot get through them and are stopped at the first hurdle. If we where finding that the questions were/are no longer serving that role we would change or remove them.

    I can also tell you that we regularly have discussions on if we need to change or remove the questions, and if the questions are too burdensome for entry. I can say most of the questions are there because we have either had a fairly large issue with it in the past, or it has been a particularly good filtering tool