Woof, what a bad response.
BMW looks like a terribly mediocre souls-like, and it’s like 60 bucks on Steam. The hype surrounding it is manufactured AF.
Haven’t really been following it all - after reading the article I think maybe its because Astro Bot had a larger audience because its generally more accessible?
I think you are right. Its why Fortnite usually wins in categories it is in, because at the end of the day it mostly comes down to a popularity contest.
I mean, I heard people I know in real life discrediting BMW even being nominated because “oh all the Chinese are voting for it.” I was like what, you think Chinese Gamers only count for 3/5ths of a Gamer?? I personally wouldn’t be surprised if this sentiment was shared with at least some of the judges.
I’m not saying BMW should have won, personally I liked it but it wasn’t perfect and I didn’t play Astro Bot. It’s just crazy to me that people are reacting like this over a video game just because it came from China. They’re not acting like that over Marvel Rivals, probably because they don’t know it’s from China yet, lol.
Translation appears accurate, but misses the cultural element. In my admittedly limited experience, this is pretty par for the course for Chinese humor. Compared to Western humor, Chinese humor is more brash and abrasive, and almost boastful when viewed from an outside perspective. I can definitely envision someone receiving that sort of response as a joke (“What, you didn’t receive game of the year? Why did you even go?”). And it would certainly agree with my impression that he makes a lot of crude jokes on his social media that don’t translate well into English (see: the IGN article on how the developers are sexist). It can really be quite difficult for inexperienced people to determine what statements are humorous and what statements are earnest, since the difference is often really subtle, even when read in the original language.
I’m not necessarily defending him, since these sorts of jokes do have a nugget of honesty to them, but my read is that he plays them up for humor.
Yeah… fuck off with that?
I am Chinese with a lot of Chinese family. This is not some unique and elevated humor that westerners do not understand. It is the same self deprecating humor that is increasingly prevalent in all cultures (that have been exposed to similar media…) combined with the equivalent of “ha ha, wouldn’t it be funny if we kissed .ha ha ha . What a joke. ha ha. But what if we did? Ha ha ha”.
Same with the truly disgusting misogynistic shit that asshole has said. It is a “joke” in the same way it was “just a joke” when people were testing the water on being magats.
The only thing that is “cultural” about this is the tendency for East Asians (but especially Chinese) to assume that everyone else is fucking stupid and that they just have to say it is a joke to ignore all consequences. And… that has been regularly demonstrated to be true so I guess the joke is on us?
Do I think he was tearing his shirt in agony and screaming in pain? No (although apparently Alannah Pearce and the people in her section saw him crying when he lost…). But there is very much the fundamental truth of “I deserved to win so this must be bullshit if I didn’t and I wasted my time by coming to an awards ceremony that doesn’t understand how amazing I am”.
Which… DOES have a lot of ties to East Asian culture (the idea that you are either best or worst) coupled with the fucked up number that the one child policy did on people.
eh I’m the same as you. even grew up in China for many years and the original comment could be true. who knows, but its getting weird coverage in both countries.
it’s also quite the stereotype (one especially held by western raised Asians) to believe all East Asians have asian elitism. most people I knew in China were insanely jealous of Americans and would give their life savings to send their kids to the US for education and a better life. the rich had the everyone is stupid mentality, but that’s true for rich people everywhere. one thing that is true and why I made the comment in parenthesis is that most Chinese people think Western raised Asian children are raised incorrectly and make that known to their family members in the West which comes off very elitist, but that’s also something shared between cultures around the world who have family members living in the US or equivalent.
no comment on the dudes other comments he’s made since I don’t know much about him, but to apply this to all East Asians especially the Chinese because of his one comment is pretty… yeah.
(the idea that you are either best or worst)
“If you not first, you’re last.”
So, this guy is Ricky Bobby?
Alannah Pearce namedrop i love that Aussie she was the best part of Funhaus
So Chinese Kanye?
I am Chinese with a lot of Chinese family
So you’re an ABC? Otherwise why mention the obvious lol.
That dudes response might not be 100% but you need to chill out.
So… while you are showing your ass and defending someone who said shit like
I want to expand my circle and hire more people, get licked until I can’t get an erection.
(Hint: that is where you claim everyone is racist and just misinterpreted him without providing any other defense)
do you want to further show your ass and say why it would matter where I was physically born while explaining your “You just don’t understand our humor” defense?
But they did misinterpret it, did they not? Didn’t you say you were Chinese?
If so you should know that “getting licked” is the Chinese equivalent of “getting your ass kissed”. You wouldn’t be called sexist for saying you get your ass kissed.
… Is this a Poe’s Law scenario?
No, it is Cunningham’s law, demonstrated by you.
When did I defend anyone…? Dawg, can you read?
You are so sensitive to immediately tell someone to F off which screams American. You claim yourself as Chinese which means you know best about all Chinese culture right? Which is such a common Chinese xenophobic tactic. But at the same time you’re so disconnected from your own culture you feel the need to share you and your own parents ethnicity, screams you took mandarin in university level ABC. All while being a jerk. Touch grass and chill out
There’s that ass! Better be careful. You keep showing it and a certain dictator will think you are making Winnie the Poo references!
It is so fun giving people who try to pretend to be rationale and enlightened plenty of rope.
Got em
This should be the top comment. Knowing a couple mainland Chinese, this is probably 100% accurate and a more charitable read than most are giving it.
As the article says, since his comments were run through machine translation, it’s possible they’re meant more in jest rather than seriously. I’ll keep a charitable perspective on this until we learn more.
i read the original on weibo and he appears to be (to me at least) fully serious. tried to invoke nationalistic pride as well
except we know Chinese people have been review bombing other games because BMW didn’t win. Sure doesn’t seem like a joke to them.
This is based on a shit article from the shitrag “TheGamer” that calls 500 players downvoting a game a movement. There’s 1,4B people in China, 500 votes don’t even register. TheGamer is a clickbait/ragebait shitrag that weaponises xenophobia/culture wars/ignorace to generate traffic. They are the precise example of the enshitification of the Internet. Veritable parasites.
I got heavily downvoted for pointing out “TheGamer” as a poor source of gaming journalism in a post specifically linking to that article. So I guess that tells me everything I need to know about Lemmy?
Since last night, I’ve seen a lot of strong dissatisfaction and frustration in players’ comments - often expressed humorously or ironically, which made me laugh,"
Jest or not, this one statement is irresponsible because this will only serve to encourage bad and toxic behavior and you know that’s how immature gamers will take it, as condoning their behavior.
The comment you responded to covered all that. It’s possible it’s a translation/tone error. No reason to assume face value given the stakes.
If that ends up being not the case, then ok.
No the OP did not. I’m literally saying tone does not matter and even if it was a flippant remark, gamers will take that as approval of their bullshit behavior.
Let’s face it, gamers are all too often immature assholes, Westerner, Easterners, wherever.
But whatever, people disagree and that’s fine.
Then that would be the gamers’ fault, not the producer’s. They’re not responsible for how their comment may not only be taken out of context but also translated in a disadvantageous way.
Not the journey to the west he had hoped for
Damn it. This is gold. Take my upvote.
That’s how awards work lmao. 5 losers, one winner
One winner and five nominee’s. Let’s not downplay being in the top 6 nominations for “best game of the year” as “losing.” It’s an incredible achievement no matter how you look at it.
Especially for a fresh team that’s amazing.
Yeah you’re right
That’s some top tier Main Character Syndrome.
there’s an easy fix for that, don’t come anymore.
there’s an easy fix for that, don’t come anymore.
How very warm and inviting of you. Im glad there are such welcoming people as you, that are excited to see new studios trying to make good games instead of the same old slop we get from the same old companies.
/s, in case anyone couldn’t tell. What an intolerant comment.
Oh boo hoo, they’re intolerant of a rude person. Get a grip and stop defending this adult tantrum.
Lol.
“Come to Lemmy, we are so tolerant and super chill!”
Yeah, so that was a lie.
You are free to leave
You don’t feel you came on a bit strong? Did you actually expect a sensitive and conciliatory response to your comment?
No one said that.
Come to Lemmy because we’re a bunch of leftists who won’t hate you for who you were born. We sure as fuck are going to hate you for being an arsehole.
we are so tolerant and super chill
No we’re not, fuck off.
Man, calling this a snub is a misnomer to begin with.
China mad Japan won in American awards. You love to see it.
This year Japan was try-harding so much
Were they? Last year they had Mario and Zelda and the year before they had Elden Ring. This year doesn’t feel particularly strong.
Look at the nominee in all categories, they had Astro bot, Elden Ring DLC, FF7, Metaphor Refantazio, Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, Zelda Echoes of Wisdom, they had a lot of games this year and they are all competing in different categories.
Machine translated comments are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1he81dp/game_producer_of_black_myth_wukongs_post_after_tga/
Chinese translations aren’t always the best in my experience, so hard to tell what’s serious vs what’s said in a joking manner.
My partner has been playing BMWK, and from what I’ve seen it’s an excellent effort for a studio known for mobile games. That being said, there’s noticeably rough edges, so I’m not surprised it didn’t get game of the year (whatever the decision criteria is).
I was not surprised how well Astro Bot did. It was accessible and well made. Sam Lake nailed it with his little speech.
This game looked nice and was awful to play. There isnt really anything else to say.
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Aren’t the game awards, just a panel of a handful of members. If so, not sure the award means much.
The Game Awards are chosen by an international jury of over 100 global media and influencer outlets
From the FAQ
Thx, aren’t many of those outlets owned by same conglomerate?
They run the gamut from the long-standing outlets like IGN to the Patreon-funded stuff like MinnMax.
There are definitely some large chunks. But there have been no signs of any of those outlets caring enough to try to vote as a bloc.
There are definitely a lot of flaws in how the jury is selected and many (most?) of the judges past and present have pointed that out. Stuff like how they are fundamentally not qualified to judge fighting games as fighting games or the mess that is the “simulation and strategy” category or whatever they call “PC games” where people are somehow comparing MS Flight Sim to Farm Simulator to Satisfactory.
But for stuff like the major awards? It is a pretty diverse crowd and there is no indication that any group cares enough to rig the vote beyond group discords where people pester other games media folk because they want to play Helldivers again and their usual crew are busy.
I’ll also add on that, for its many many flaws, the keighleys is pretty good about being aware of this kind of thing based on a few outlets that talked about how they were judges in the past and then suddenly never mentioned it again after an acquisition or the loss of a core editor.
No, I don’t think so. Maybe a couple but it’s a pretty wide net. Which ones did you think were?
