the lesson Democrats need to learn is that American voters just care about what the candidate says during the campaign, not actual policy delivered if elected. So Democrats should adopt the same method of the GOP, simply straight up lying to the electorate and the Democrats will have a better chance of winning.
That already happened long ago. The problem this time was that the things they thought “people wanted to hear” were a bunch of right-wing talking points about immigration and genocide along with a slew of others.
I’m not buying this as a reason they voted for Trump. If they saw Harris as the “lesser evil” then that would acknowledge they are actively voting for the “greater evil”.
Trump got about the same number of votes as he did in 2020. Trump didn’t win because former Democratic voters switched sides. He won because people who voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t vote at all.
Voters didn’t want any measure of progressive policies. They voted for Trump with his regressive policies. Democrats apparently need to do the same to win votes.
Based on what? No progressive policies were on the table this election. As I said above, Trump didn’t gain any voters this election. The Democrats did push regressive policies this election, and that’s why they lost 10 million votes.
I disagree with your assessment, but that is exactly what Trump is going to do, and he got the votes, so its the winning strategy apparently.
That’s the winning strategy when you’re an avowed right-winger trying to court right-wing votes. When you’re supposed to represent “the left,” spouting a bunch of right-wing rhetoric and courting endorsements from people like Dick Cheney is a surefire way to lose as evidenced by the fact that Harris lost so many votes.
Trump got about the same number of votes as he did in 2020. Trump didn’t win because former Democratic voters switched sides. He won because people who voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t vote at all.
You’re proving my point. Trump just needs to lie and his voters show up. Game theory would say these are the easy votes that Democrats should go after.
Based on what? No progressive policies were on the table this election.
Lower the costs of child care, health care, long term care, and housing aren’t progressive? Strengthening Medicare and Social Security aren’t either? Protecting reproductive freedom, civicl rights, and imposing term limits on Supreme Court justices aren’t either?
That’s the winning strategy when you’re an avowed right-winger trying to court right-wing votes. When you’re supposed to represent “the left,” spouting a bunch of right-wing rhetoric and courting endorsements from people like Dick Cheney is a surefire way to lose as evidenced by the fact that Harris lost so many votes.
Again, you’re proving my argument. Democrat voters are too hard to convince to come to the polls to stand against the coming fascism and kleptocracy. GOP voters require no actual delivery of policy supporting campaign statements, or if so the most simply lip service will do. The GOP voters show up on campaign statements alone. The lesson is that these are the voters to target to get elected.
Trump just needs to lie and his voters show up. Game theory would say these are the easy votes that Democrats should go after.
Except that completely ignores the context of the situation in that “Democratic lies” aren’t going to be seen as appealing by right wingers in the way that “Republican lies” would be. Democrats did exactly this in the 2024 election and it blew up in their face.
Lower the costs of child care, health care, long term care, and housing aren’t progressive? Strengthening Medicare and Social Security aren’t either? Protecting reproductive freedom, civicl rights, and imposing term limits on Supreme Court justices aren’t either?
These are the lies I’m speaking of. None of this was on the table. It’s all empty rhetoric and lies in order to deceive people into voting for them. Why would any of this need to wait for Harris to be elected when she and Biden are currently in office right now at this very moment? It makes zero sense, and using history as our guide, Democrats will go out of their way to favor Republican plans in spite of the left a la the Affordable Care Act, which passed with a Democratic supermajority and zero Republican support.
Again, you’re proving my argument. Democrat voters are too hard to convince to come to the polls to stand against the coming fascism and kleptocracy.
They’re not hard to convince to come out and vote, there’s just nobody out there worth voting for. The left got plenty of energy from Bernie’s campaign until that was squashed by the DNC and the media in favor of Clinton. They got plenty of energy from '08 Obama who heartily won his election and then transformed right into the same status-quo neoliberal we’re seeing in Clinton, Biden, and Harris.
GOP voters require no actual delivery of policy supporting campaign statements, or if so the most simply lip service will do. The GOP voters show up on campaign statements alone. The lesson is that these are the voters to target to get elected.
The Democratic party has these same supporters too. You’ll see them chanting “blue no matter who” and calling you a Trump supporter if you dare criticize their right-wing, anti-immigration, or pro-genocidal, pro-corporate candidates. These are the type of people that elected Tulsi Gabbard, Sinema, Manchin, etc.
Trump just needs to lie and his voters show up. Game theory would say these are the easy votes that Democrats should go after.
Except that completely ignores the context of the situation in that “Democratic lies” aren’t going to be seen as appealing by right wingers in the way that “Republican lies” would be. Democrats did exactly this in the 2024 election and it blew up in their face.
If your statements are correct, Democrats don’t show up for “Democratic lies”. History shows voters stay home. I’m not suggesting Democrats use “Democratic lies”. You’re right, those don’t appeal to right-wing voters. I’m suggesting Democrats use right-wing lies. Right-wing voters show up for right-wing lies.
Since the GOP voters don’t actually care about policy passed during the actual term, progressive polices could be voted in by the elected leadership. When the next election occurs, the Democrat leadership simply needs to lie to these voters again. Its already worked for Trump a second time.
Again, you’re proving my argument. Democrat voters are too hard to convince to come to the polls to stand against the coming fascism and kleptocracy.
They’re not hard to convince to come out and vote, there’s just nobody out there worth voting for.
Inaction is an action. Those voters chose to let others (GOP votes) choose the leadership of the nation, which ushered in a second Trump administration.
That already happened long ago. The problem this time was that the things they thought “people wanted to hear” were a bunch of right-wing talking points about immigration and genocide along with a slew of others.
Trump got about the same number of votes as he did in 2020. Trump didn’t win because former Democratic voters switched sides. He won because people who voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t vote at all.
Based on what? No progressive policies were on the table this election. As I said above, Trump didn’t gain any voters this election. The Democrats did push regressive policies this election, and that’s why they lost 10 million votes.
That’s the winning strategy when you’re an avowed right-winger trying to court right-wing votes. When you’re supposed to represent “the left,” spouting a bunch of right-wing rhetoric and courting endorsements from people like Dick Cheney is a surefire way to lose as evidenced by the fact that Harris lost so many votes.
You’re proving my point. Trump just needs to lie and his voters show up. Game theory would say these are the easy votes that Democrats should go after.
Lower the costs of child care, health care, long term care, and housing aren’t progressive? Strengthening Medicare and Social Security aren’t either? Protecting reproductive freedom, civicl rights, and imposing term limits on Supreme Court justices aren’t either?
Again, you’re proving my argument. Democrat voters are too hard to convince to come to the polls to stand against the coming fascism and kleptocracy. GOP voters require no actual delivery of policy supporting campaign statements, or if so the most simply lip service will do. The GOP voters show up on campaign statements alone. The lesson is that these are the voters to target to get elected.
Except that completely ignores the context of the situation in that “Democratic lies” aren’t going to be seen as appealing by right wingers in the way that “Republican lies” would be. Democrats did exactly this in the 2024 election and it blew up in their face.
These are the lies I’m speaking of. None of this was on the table. It’s all empty rhetoric and lies in order to deceive people into voting for them. Why would any of this need to wait for Harris to be elected when she and Biden are currently in office right now at this very moment? It makes zero sense, and using history as our guide, Democrats will go out of their way to favor Republican plans in spite of the left a la the Affordable Care Act, which passed with a Democratic supermajority and zero Republican support.
They’re not hard to convince to come out and vote, there’s just nobody out there worth voting for. The left got plenty of energy from Bernie’s campaign until that was squashed by the DNC and the media in favor of Clinton. They got plenty of energy from '08 Obama who heartily won his election and then transformed right into the same status-quo neoliberal we’re seeing in Clinton, Biden, and Harris.
The Democratic party has these same supporters too. You’ll see them chanting “blue no matter who” and calling you a Trump supporter if you dare criticize their right-wing, anti-immigration, or pro-genocidal, pro-corporate candidates. These are the type of people that elected Tulsi Gabbard, Sinema, Manchin, etc.
If your statements are correct, Democrats don’t show up for “Democratic lies”. History shows voters stay home. I’m not suggesting Democrats use “Democratic lies”. You’re right, those don’t appeal to right-wing voters. I’m suggesting Democrats use right-wing lies. Right-wing voters show up for right-wing lies.
Since the GOP voters don’t actually care about policy passed during the actual term, progressive polices could be voted in by the elected leadership. When the next election occurs, the Democrat leadership simply needs to lie to these voters again. Its already worked for Trump a second time.
Inaction is an action. Those voters chose to let others (GOP votes) choose the leadership of the nation, which ushered in a second Trump administration.