cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1521301
Archived version: https://archive.ph/tybBn
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230816110122/https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66453692
a yes, russia and war crimes, name a better duo
Don’t worry, lemmygrad will be here in a second with a bunch of whataboutism about the US.
That’s something I don’t understand, really. Nobody here is denying what U.S. did in the past, and pointing out Russian war crimes doesn’t deny U.S. war crimes either. But if they’re happy with their whataboutism, then…
Nobody here is denying what U.S. did in the past
Which is the issue with Liberals really, you come around to willing to condem what the U.S. does after it’s decades in the past and there’s no possible way to revert any of the damage, while it’s contemporary you’ll justify everything in the name of spreading/protecting democracy, fighting terrorism, standing up to autocrats, etc.
Some people still justify bombing Yugoslavia and invading Iraq to this day too so i don’t even know if that first part is really true.
you come around to willing to condem what the U.S. does after it’s decades in the past and there’s no possible way to revert any of the damage
Well, then sorry for not having Internet back then and being underage to understand geopolitical issues. Please, condemn me to life sentence so my future children can be as mature as you when they’ll be 5.
Sorry for being more worried about passing my maths, Spanish language and biology exams than being worried about an invasion.
Oh, and sorry for not being diagnosed with ADHD back in the day, so I could be more aware about my surroundings instead of being trapped inside my own racing thoughts.
WAS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED???
Don’t feed the tankie.
The point of that comment is that Liberals support whatever war the U.S. currently wages while at the same time pretending to be anti-war by condemning the “past wars” (the US still occupies a lot of the places they went to war with) because this time it’ll be different!
I fail to see how arming neo-Nazis and putting in Ukraine will play out any differently than arming religious fundamentalists did in the Middle East, every time I ask this I either get called a Russian troll or genocide apologist.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former Ukrainian captives say they were subjected to torture, including frequent beatings and electric shocks, while in custody at a detention facility in south-western Russia, in what would be serious violations of international humanitarian law.
In interviews with the BBC, a dozen ex-detainees released in prisoner exchanges alleged physical and psychological abuse by Russian officers and guards at the Pre-Trial Detention Facility Number Two, in the city of Taganrog.
The testimonies, gathered during a weeks-long investigation, describe a consistent pattern of extreme violence and ill-treatment at the facility, one of the locations where Ukrainian prisoners of war have been held in Russia.
Dmytro Lubinets, Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman and one of the officials involved in exchange negotiations with Moscow, said nine in every 10 former detainees claimed they had been tortured while in Russian captivity.
Denys Haiduk, a military surgeon, said guards forced him and the other captives to run with their heads down while under blows during their “reception”, with detainees being hit even after they were on the ground, unable to stand up.
The Media Initiative for Human Rights, a Ukrainian organisation, recorded allegations of at least three deaths at the Taganrog prison, apparently because of torture and lack of food and health care.
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I wish we could just nuke Russia out of the map.
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