According to Mark Zuckerberg, Meta trust and safety workers will be relocated to Texas to prevent them from “censoring” users. Experts point to other advantages.
I hate to wreck this beautiful dream, but tech is not nearly as blue as everyone thinks it is.
I’ve never spent time around big tech types where the split wasn’t 30% libertarians, 30% right-wingers, and 30% american-style liberals.
The problem there is the libertarians land all over the damn spectrum but you end up basically the same place you do everywhere else: it’s a 50/50 split.
And let’s be honest, the expectation here is that a lot of the employees won’t move.
If the goal is to avoid “liberal bias”, or whatever, moving the people from California to Texas won’t do a damn thing. What you do is you move the jobs somewhere unpalatable, knowing full well this will let you do a mass layoff without it being a layoff, because people “chose” not to move to where their job is.
So we’re going to get a couple of jobs, but they’re going to be filled by people already here.
Texas here. There was an influx of techie movers from blue states during the pandemic. Abbott won. Trump won. Even Rafael Cruz won, and no body likes that guy.
Yep. Texas has been just-one-more-thing-happening from going blue for 25 years now.
So far, not a single damn one of those things, or even, somehow, the aggregate change of ALL of them has resulted in shit.
Cities are just as blue as they were, and the rest of the state is just as red, and the Republicans have remained in charge throughout it all.
And, before someone goes ‘but gerrymandering!’, the ®s are maintaining control even in state-wide elections that are just a matter of getting more votes, too, so while you can argue that some of the stuff is probably gerrymandered, that’s not the root cause of it either.
Another handful of people moving here isn’t going to make one single bit of difference, and anyone thinking otherwise after literal decades of this kind of wishful thinking needs to take a deep breath and some introspection and figure out why they’re still willing to buy that line.
Demographics aren’t destiny either. The whole electorate moved red last cycle. It really isn’t enough to “these people have stereotypical liberal attributes, they’ll flip this state blue!”. They won’t.
Not that I know everything about him but if he didn’t say that I wouldn’t have known. He’s even told me a bit of his personal life in which government assistance saved his bacon and corporate America screwed him.
It’s a little difficult to separate the politics off and put it into a different category altogether. He supports having the government be shitty to people he doesn’t like. I have no doubt he could be nice in the pejorative sense – like in the difference between nice people and kind people or in the “nice guy” meme sense – but many doubts that he’s actually a really nice guy in any sincere way.
It’s easier to say you just don’t really know him. I think it’s similar to the neighbors saying how the serial killer really seemed like a great guy when the reporters interview them. He wasn’t a great guy, you just didn’t know who he really was.
I think that California should take keeping itself competitive as a tech center more-seriously. I think that a lot of what has made California competitive for tech is because it had tech from earlier, and that at a certain threshold, it becomes advantageous to do more companies in an area – you have a pool of employees and investors and such. But what matters is having a sufficiently-large pool, and if you let that advantage erode sufficiently, your edge also goes away.
We were just talking about high California electricity prices, for example. A number of datacenters have shifted out of California because the cost of electricity is a significant input. Now, okay – you don’t have to be right on top of your datacenters to be doing tech work. You can run a Silicon Valley-based company that has its hardware in Washington state, but it’s one more factor that makes it less appealing to be located in California.
The electricity price issue came up a lot back when people were talking about Bitcoin mining more, since there weren’t a whole lot of inputs and it’s otherwise pretty location-agnostic.
In California and Connecticut, electricity costs 18 to 19 cents per kilowatt hour, more than double that in Texas, Wyoming, Washington, and Kentucky, according to the Global Energy Institute.
(Prices are higher now everywhere, as this was before the COVID-19-era inflation, but the fact that California is still expensive electricity-wise remains.)
I think that there is a certain chunk of California that is kind of under the impression that the tech industry in California is a magic cash cow that is always going to be there, no matter what California does, and I think that that’s kind of a cavalier approach to take.
EDIT: COVID-19’s remote-working also did a lot to seriously hurt California here, since a lot of people decided “if I don’t have to pay California cost-of-living and can still keep the same job, why should I pay those costs?” and just moved out of state. If you look at COVID-19-era population-change data in counties around the San Francisco Bay Area, it saw a pretty remarkable drop.
The Golden State Used to Dominate Tech Employment—But Its Share of Total US Tech Jobs has Now Fallen to the Lowest Level in a Decade
Nevertheless, many of the tech industry’s traditional hubs have indeed suffered significantly since the onset of the tech-cession—and nowhere more so than California. As the home of Silicon Valley, the state represented roughly 30% of total US tech sector output and got roughly 10% of its statewide GDP from the tech industry in 2021. However, the Golden State has been bleeding tech jobs over the last year and a half—since August 2022, California has lost 21k jobs in computer systems design & related, 15k in streaming & social networks, 11k in software publishing, and 7k in web search & related—while gaining less than 1k in computing infrastructure & data processing. Since the beginning of COVID, California has added a sum total of only 6k jobs in the tech industry—compared to roughly 570k across the rest of the United States.
For California, the loss of tech jobs represents a major drag on the state’s economy, a driver of acute budgetary problems, and an upending of housing market dynamics—but most importantly, it represents a squandering of many of the opportunities the industry afforded the state throughout the 2010s.
Honestly, I’m all for tech continuing to move to Texas. Want to make Texas blue? Keep sending tech jobs there.
I hate to wreck this beautiful dream, but tech is not nearly as blue as everyone thinks it is.
I’ve never spent time around big tech types where the split wasn’t 30% libertarians, 30% right-wingers, and 30% american-style liberals.
The problem there is the libertarians land all over the damn spectrum but you end up basically the same place you do everywhere else: it’s a 50/50 split.
And let’s be honest, the expectation here is that a lot of the employees won’t move.
If the goal is to avoid “liberal bias”, or whatever, moving the people from California to Texas won’t do a damn thing. What you do is you move the jobs somewhere unpalatable, knowing full well this will let you do a mass layoff without it being a layoff, because people “chose” not to move to where their job is.
So we’re going to get a couple of jobs, but they’re going to be filled by people already here.
Texas here. There was an influx of techie movers from blue states during the pandemic. Abbott won. Trump won. Even Rafael Cruz won, and no body likes that guy.
Yep. Texas has been just-one-more-thing-happening from going blue for 25 years now.
So far, not a single damn one of those things, or even, somehow, the aggregate change of ALL of them has resulted in shit.
Cities are just as blue as they were, and the rest of the state is just as red, and the Republicans have remained in charge throughout it all.
And, before someone goes ‘but gerrymandering!’, the ®s are maintaining control even in state-wide elections that are just a matter of getting more votes, too, so while you can argue that some of the stuff is probably gerrymandered, that’s not the root cause of it either.
Another handful of people moving here isn’t going to make one single bit of difference, and anyone thinking otherwise after literal decades of this kind of wishful thinking needs to take a deep breath and some introspection and figure out why they’re still willing to buy that line.
Demographics aren’t destiny either. The whole electorate moved red last cycle. It really isn’t enough to “these people have stereotypical liberal attributes, they’ll flip this state blue!”. They won’t.
On the bright side, Zuck’s influence on California politics is going to drastically decrease.
I’m in IT. One of my coworkers has said he’s farther right than Limbaugh. He’s otherwise a really nice guy. 🤷
Doubt
Not that I know everything about him but if he didn’t say that I wouldn’t have known. He’s even told me a bit of his personal life in which government assistance saved his bacon and corporate America screwed him.
I’m gonna go ahead and guess he knows fuck all about rush Limbaugh.
It’s a little difficult to separate the politics off and put it into a different category altogether. He supports having the government be shitty to people he doesn’t like. I have no doubt he could be nice in the pejorative sense – like in the difference between nice people and kind people or in the “nice guy” meme sense – but many doubts that he’s actually a really nice guy in any sincere way.
It’s easier to say you just don’t really know him. I think it’s similar to the neighbors saying how the serial killer really seemed like a great guy when the reporters interview them. He wasn’t a great guy, you just didn’t know who he really was.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vvxE-gdQ2Q
This bit I feel like is the best explanation of what people mean when they say this.
Can H-1B visa workers vote in the election?
Depends on which team you ask.
We’d need to get out and fucking vote first. Mark my words, Abbott is getting reelected with fewer votes than Kamala Harris.
I think that California should take keeping itself competitive as a tech center more-seriously. I think that a lot of what has made California competitive for tech is because it had tech from earlier, and that at a certain threshold, it becomes advantageous to do more companies in an area – you have a pool of employees and investors and such. But what matters is having a sufficiently-large pool, and if you let that advantage erode sufficiently, your edge also goes away.
We were just talking about high California electricity prices, for example. A number of datacenters have shifted out of California because the cost of electricity is a significant input. Now, okay – you don’t have to be right on top of your datacenters to be doing tech work. You can run a Silicon Valley-based company that has its hardware in Washington state, but it’s one more factor that makes it less appealing to be located in California.
The electricity price issue came up a lot back when people were talking about Bitcoin mining more, since there weren’t a whole lot of inputs and it’s otherwise pretty location-agnostic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/this-map-shows-the-best-us-states-to-mine-for-bitcoin.html
(Prices are higher now everywhere, as this was before the COVID-19-era inflation, but the fact that California is still expensive electricity-wise remains.)
I think that there is a certain chunk of California that is kind of under the impression that the tech industry in California is a magic cash cow that is always going to be there, no matter what California does, and I think that that’s kind of a cavalier approach to take.
EDIT: COVID-19’s remote-working also did a lot to seriously hurt California here, since a lot of people decided “if I don’t have to pay California cost-of-living and can still keep the same job, why should I pay those costs?” and just moved out of state. If you look at COVID-19-era population-change data in counties around the San Francisco Bay Area, it saw a pretty remarkable drop.
https://www.apricitas.io/p/california-is-losing-tech-jobs