This is not a question of about parroted nonsense and cultural norms. I mean what end product do they produce that justifies their existence in the first place.

I’m physically disabled and have been living in a prison like situation for nearly 11 years. How does my situation balance into the ethics of prisons? I’m on a path to homelessness and a premature death due to institutionalized neglect and abuse from US institutions. Criminals are housed and fed in exchange for similar isolation, abuse, danger, insurmountable debt, and a largely unemployable and destitute future. These seem to conflict in ethics.

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    We’ve decided morally, that killing is wrong. So if killing is wrong, but we have to keep killers out of society, then we’ve got to put them in a place away from society. Somewhere along the way, we decided that killing isn’t the only thing that requires you be separated from society.

    You haven’t committed a crime, therefore are free to succeed or fail at life all on your own. Society hasn’t judged you, therefore society hasn’t seen the need to take care of you either.

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      With a few exceptions of life sentences, this is not how prisons works. We have prisons to separate the bad apples for a while, and we use that time to rehabilitate the apples. Its not a perfect solution bit it works better than without prison.

      Edit to clarify that this is about prison

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        Pretending that people get rehabilitated in prison, LOLOL

        That’s some LARP level imagination you got there.

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          Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world, around 20% within five years of release.

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            This clearly says US Institutions.

            I’m on a path to homelessness and a premature death due to institutionalized neglect and abuse from US institutions.

            This person wouldn’t be posting here if they were from Norway.

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              The question was about prisons in general, their personal experience being the basis of them questioning the ethicality of the concept of prisons.

              For that matter the Norwegian example is a perfect antithesis to the punitive American system.

              Therefore they were absolutely on topic. You may freshen up on comprehensive reading.

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      So you have incentivised crime against society for survival.

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        That actually happens btw. There are homeless that will commit crimes, so they get arrested, so that they have a couple of free nights of not freezing to death in the cold.

        I haven’t incentivized crime, but yes our current institutions do so.