The problem with Lemmy isn’t that there are too many leftists around, it’s that most of them are of the annoying kind.
Most users here are either college students or antiwork-style semi-employed NEET-adjacent individuals whose entire worldview is based on Tumblr and TikTok memes. They really think that some online pundit/influencer with the “correct beliefs” on the “current thing” is closer to them and more of their ally than actual working-class proletarians who may for various reasons, have problematic attitudes and beliefs.
That’s of course, without getting into what the latest crop of online leftists even considers problematic. For whatever reason, while the planet is dying, while people are still hungry, while homelessness is rising in the West, they’ve decided that the right of fat gay men who like to wear make up and dresses and straight women who are not satisfied to be low on the oppression totem-pole to call themselves a gender category beyond any human comprehension (non-binary) is the single most important issue affecting global society.
If one should disagree with gender ideology, they need to be killed because they’re a fucking Nazi and definitely not a good fucking human being.
Non-binary has nothing to do with trans people. Trans people have dysphoria, for which the cure is gender transition. Sam Smith is just a fat gay asshole.
In fact, it’s offensive to actual trans people that you liken their experiences which are often difficult and traumatic, to someone just deciding to dye their hair green.
Every non-binary person I know or heard about has basically just began wearing more androgynous clothes and dyed their hair some weird color. If they’re a biological man, they start wearing lipstick also. If they’re a biological woman, they toughen up their image with more “manly” clothes and hairstyles.
This horrendous human being has such a weak ego that he blocks people after replies. Seriously, I feel bad for your family. They really hate being around you. Be nicer. Read a book. Think before saying hateful stuff.
Trans comes from to transgress. Not transition. Non binary people without a doubt transgress their agab. It’s not some big conspiracy, you just don’t get it and are choosing not to.
This is honestly the first time I’ve heard that interpretation of being trans. But if being trans is just about transgressing, then that’s very culturally-bound. Like, in my little rural village being gay is very transgressive and certainly not considered in line with my assigned at birth gender. Am I trans now?
In some cultures, yes, many GNC gay people would be considered part of a ‘third gender’, and this was also the case in a lot of the West before modern separatist movements came into the picture. There’s still an overlap today between he/him lesbians, stone butch, drag kings, and transmasc communities, just like there are overlaps between effeminate she/her gays, drag queens, and transfemme communities.
Also, non-binary people can physically transition through various surgeries and hormones, in addition to social transitioning. It’s often very difficult because much of western society doesn’t recognize their existence, so NB people are often forced to choose between the ‘socially acceptable gender’ of either male or female to live as legally, which can in turn lead to major dysphoria.
You’re one of those fucking chud-adjacent losers who think that “working class” means white 40something factory worker with a beard, a wife and 2.5 kids, and a litany of bigoted views huh?
Fact is the vast majority of queer people are working class. You can keep picking on Sam Harris to try to write off nonbinary people as being like a rich people Hollywood thing, but the reality doesn’t fit with that. You point out homelessness as one of those things we should “really care about”… meanwhile homeless queer youth are a huge problem you’re just conveniently ignoring. and if you think those kids dont have nonbinary people among them you’re out of touch. Being nonbinary isnt just something for people living comfortably.
lol now I have to prove my sexual orientation to you. whatever happened to trusting people’s lived experiences, sweaty? Let me assure you, my lived experiences include a lot of gayness.
What kind of response do you want? You’re telling me I’m some Hitler-loving maniac just because I don’t believe in non-binary genders? Just because I am on the (correct and true) feminist position that gender should be abolished and not reified and expanded into a million new categories that only serve to alienate people from each other and confuse everyone.
Where have I even implied that queer youth should be excluded from attempts to help the homeless?
A response that didnt mock my autism would have been a start. Showed your true colors with that one. I have absolutely no interest in engaging with any of your shitty truscum/terf talking points.
I will say, I’m a gender abolitionist and so is like literally every nonbinary person I know. They arent incompatible.
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have mocked your autism. It’s just that your username is very funny.
Gender abolitionism isn’t compatible with non-binarism (binarity? binarydom? binaryness?) because non binary genders rely on the gender binary itself to express themselves. I’ve read many non-binary people talk about how this action or behavior makes them feel more masculine, but these other things make them feel more feminine. It seems that to be non-binary is to be always obsessed with gender perception. How is that abolishing gender when you’re still describing everything in terms of masculine and feminine-coded behaviors?
“annoying” in this instance being people calling you out on your bullshit. Yeah sure sucks you can’t just be a bigot without getting dunked on, the issue is definitely people standing up for themselves and not you being a fucking idiot
That hasn’t really been my experience, talking to a lot of people tends to seem like most people seem closer to my age 30s with an interest in tech or a tech background.
I haven’t really run into many teenagers in discussions.
Okay, but you’re being incredibly insensitive by referring to the LGBT crowd the way you just did. You’re dehumanizing them, which is exactly the kind of behavior the people you’re talking about are trying to stop.
Gender is a spectrum, it’s a fact, not an ideology.
Besides that, I do think the culture wars have been pushed onto the working classes in order to divide us so that food insecurity, homelessness, and climate change are not prioritized and our pockets can continue to be picked for the distribution of wealth straight to the top. If we could all stop fighting each other over the minutiae or how people live their lives, we might be able to push politicians to fix higher-level, systemic issues.
Being LGBT myself, I have grown increasingly annoyed and distraught at the inclusion of weird marginal gender issues into the fight for gay rights. I’m very sorry, but my country doesn’t have a Supreme Court that can just legislate gay marriage. If I ever want to be able to have a family, I need to convince people around me that gay people are normal working people who deserve rights like everyone else.
I am sorry but there is no such thing as non-binary gender. There’s no such thing as gender either, there are sexes and then there are cultural expectations built on top of this sexed reality. You can call this gender if you want, but if you do, then the clear progressive and leftwing thing is to do away with gender because gender is a system of exploitation and discrimination. The proper thing to do is not to expand and reify gender.
Oh, you’re a boy who isn’t into sports and cars? Like dolls and fashion? You must be an egg waiting to crack or at least non-binary.
What if instead we could all be men and women, but be men and women in any way we want to be? Without any expectations, without toxicity, without alienating each other? That’s only possible with gender abolition.
You are not only incorrect, but hypocritical and selfish if you want rights for yourself, but not for other LGBT people who absolutely exist, whether you like it or not. Keep in mind that trans people were side by side with gay people at Stonewall and ever since, always fighting for LGBT equality (never just trans equality), and here you are whining that they want equal rights just like you want.
Gender exists, including non-binary genders. I suggest using some modern sources to catch up on LGBT issues, as you seem to have some unhealthy, and frankly bigoted, views on portions of the LGBT community. I’ve seen you completely overblow gender issues in some of your comments with awful and ridiculous “examples” (“transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual” and " transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick") and those shitty “examples” do not represent like any transgender or non-cisgender individuals. That’s just not what’s going on with gender issues at all. Maybe some person online said something like that, but that’s about 0.0001% of trans people.
Exactly zero of the non-cis people I know are anywhere close to your examples. They’re all just normal people who were born where their gender doesn’t match their birth sex.
First of all, I’m really actually asking this cuz I want an opinion on this and because I don’t know much.
Do you really think that what you are suggesting could put a decrease on hate crime and discrimination and rape and belittling of all the different people, all of them belonging to different sets including gender and sex?
Gender, or at least the current western prevailing idea of gender as something innate (with an internal locus) is an oppressive construct of social control. It prevents social cohesion and solidarity. Because how can I as a white transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual understand your experiences as a black transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick?
Only when we accept the biological reality of two sexes, and the reality of free will and freedom to express ourselves, can we move past sexism and more importantly capitalism.
99.9% of this planet toils in agony so that less than a million of super-privileged people can live in luxury. That’s the problem, it’s the ONLY problem.
We have correctly identified nazis, derailed their political growth, all from the comfort of tweeting while on the toilet, and you’re mad that we can’t do the same with Exxon.
Yes, you’ve done all that. In your dreams. Meanwhile gen Z is more right wing than the previous two generations and common people are getting fed up with your gender war crap to the point where they’ll vote for DeSantis and Trump just to spite you.
This is misinformation. Gen Z seniors in high school did tend towards right wing.
Republican voters are actually sick of gender war crap coming from DeSantis and Trump, and those politicians lose engagement when they go on about trans people. 65% of the country has the liberal/freedom take on trans health issues.
Sure, but is that the “of age trans people should be able to get on hormones and surgery” or “children should be put on puberty blockers on the slightest suggestion they might be trans, and if parents don’t comply, social services should take the kids away” “liberal take on trans health issues?”
Hold up you are conflating different laws and situations.
But still yes, actually, it is. Support wavers on trans issues when you get into the weeds. Most Americans don’t want to see trans binary people participating in sports, for example. They are far less likely to support trans peoppe having access to surgery as soon as they have medical autonomy (16).
I’m saying this full well knowing every single trans person is required to see 2 psychologists, and multiple doctors during their transition. More if they start as children and finish in adulthood.
The problem with Lemmy isn’t that there are too many leftists around, it’s that most of them are of the annoying kind.
Most users here are either college students or antiwork-style semi-employed NEET-adjacent individuals whose entire worldview is based on Tumblr and TikTok memes. They really think that some online pundit/influencer with the “correct beliefs” on the “current thing” is closer to them and more of their ally than actual working-class proletarians who may for various reasons, have problematic attitudes and beliefs.
That’s of course, without getting into what the latest crop of online leftists even considers problematic. For whatever reason, while the planet is dying, while people are still hungry, while homelessness is rising in the West, they’ve decided that the right of fat gay men who like to wear make up and dresses and straight women who are not satisfied to be low on the oppression totem-pole to call themselves a gender category beyond any human comprehension (non-binary) is the single most important issue affecting global society.
If one should disagree with gender ideology, they need to be killed because they’re a fucking Nazi and definitely not a good fucking human being.
Hey transphobe, everyone irl fucking hates you. Think before you say hateful shit.
Non-binary has nothing to do with trans people. Trans people have dysphoria, for which the cure is gender transition. Sam Smith is just a fat gay asshole.
In fact, it’s offensive to actual trans people that you liken their experiences which are often difficult and traumatic, to someone just deciding to dye their hair green.
Man you’re really doing the dyed hair 2015 stuff huh?
Every non-binary person I know or heard about has basically just began wearing more androgynous clothes and dyed their hair some weird color. If they’re a biological man, they start wearing lipstick also. If they’re a biological woman, they toughen up their image with more “manly” clothes and hairstyles.
Neat!
This horrendous human being has such a weak ego that he blocks people after replies. Seriously, I feel bad for your family. They really hate being around you. Be nicer. Read a book. Think before saying hateful stuff.
I have blocked nobody. If you can’t see my posts it’s because a mod or an instance owner has blocked me.
Trans comes from to transgress. Not transition. Non binary people without a doubt transgress their agab. It’s not some big conspiracy, you just don’t get it and are choosing not to.
This is honestly the first time I’ve heard that interpretation of being trans. But if being trans is just about transgressing, then that’s very culturally-bound. Like, in my little rural village being gay is very transgressive and certainly not considered in line with my assigned at birth gender. Am I trans now?
In some cultures, yes, many GNC gay people would be considered part of a ‘third gender’, and this was also the case in a lot of the West before modern separatist movements came into the picture. There’s still an overlap today between he/him lesbians, stone butch, drag kings, and transmasc communities, just like there are overlaps between effeminate she/her gays, drag queens, and transfemme communities.
Also, non-binary people can physically transition through various surgeries and hormones, in addition to social transitioning. It’s often very difficult because much of western society doesn’t recognize their existence, so NB people are often forced to choose between the ‘socially acceptable gender’ of either male or female to live as legally, which can in turn lead to major dysphoria.
You’re one of those fucking chud-adjacent losers who think that “working class” means white 40something factory worker with a beard, a wife and 2.5 kids, and a litany of bigoted views huh?
Fact is the vast majority of queer people are working class. You can keep picking on Sam Harris to try to write off nonbinary people as being like a rich people Hollywood thing, but the reality doesn’t fit with that. You point out homelessness as one of those things we should “really care about”… meanwhile homeless queer youth are a huge problem you’re just conveniently ignoring. and if you think those kids dont have nonbinary people among them you’re out of touch. Being nonbinary isnt just something for people living comfortably.
https://socialistvoice.ie/2020/02/combating-tailism-and-economism/
top kek
Go back to reddit
Go back to 4chan at this point.
I’d have been suspended from Reddit comments ago. Reddit is run by nonbinary powermods, everyone knows that.
As a gay man who’s been involved in various left-wing causes for decades, I sure do love Hitler.
r/asagayman
lol now I have to prove my sexual orientation to you. whatever happened to trusting people’s lived experiences, sweaty? Let me assure you, my lived experiences include a lot of gayness.
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Ah, ok, you’re just a fucking asshole then. Let me remove the “adjacent” from my above statement.
What kind of response do you want? You’re telling me I’m some Hitler-loving maniac just because I don’t believe in non-binary genders? Just because I am on the (correct and true) feminist position that gender should be abolished and not reified and expanded into a million new categories that only serve to alienate people from each other and confuse everyone.
Where have I even implied that queer youth should be excluded from attempts to help the homeless?
A response that didnt mock my autism would have been a start. Showed your true colors with that one. I have absolutely no interest in engaging with any of your shitty truscum/terf talking points.
I will say, I’m a gender abolitionist and so is like literally every nonbinary person I know. They arent incompatible.
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have mocked your autism. It’s just that your username is very funny.
Gender abolitionism isn’t compatible with non-binarism (binarity? binarydom? binaryness?) because non binary genders rely on the gender binary itself to express themselves. I’ve read many non-binary people talk about how this action or behavior makes them feel more masculine, but these other things make them feel more feminine. It seems that to be non-binary is to be always obsessed with gender perception. How is that abolishing gender when you’re still describing everything in terms of masculine and feminine-coded behaviors?
Kill Yourself Nazi Freak
Jesus Christ get the fuck out of here. You’re beyond “any human comprehension” you piece of shit.
But isn’t that what nonbinary is? I’m not a woman, I’m not a man; I am something that you’ll never understand.
“annoying” in this instance being people calling you out on your bullshit. Yeah sure sucks you can’t just be a bigot without getting dunked on, the issue is definitely people standing up for themselves and not you being a fucking idiot
Fuck off transphobe scum.
That hasn’t really been my experience, talking to a lot of people tends to seem like most people seem closer to my age 30s with an interest in tech or a tech background.
I haven’t really run into many teenagers in discussions.
Okay, but you’re being incredibly insensitive by referring to the LGBT crowd the way you just did. You’re dehumanizing them, which is exactly the kind of behavior the people you’re talking about are trying to stop.
Gender is a spectrum, it’s a fact, not an ideology.
Besides that, I do think the culture wars have been pushed onto the working classes in order to divide us so that food insecurity, homelessness, and climate change are not prioritized and our pockets can continue to be picked for the distribution of wealth straight to the top. If we could all stop fighting each other over the minutiae or how people live their lives, we might be able to push politicians to fix higher-level, systemic issues.
Being LGBT myself, I have grown increasingly annoyed and distraught at the inclusion of weird marginal gender issues into the fight for gay rights. I’m very sorry, but my country doesn’t have a Supreme Court that can just legislate gay marriage. If I ever want to be able to have a family, I need to convince people around me that gay people are normal working people who deserve rights like everyone else.
I am sorry but there is no such thing as non-binary gender. There’s no such thing as gender either, there are sexes and then there are cultural expectations built on top of this sexed reality. You can call this gender if you want, but if you do, then the clear progressive and leftwing thing is to do away with gender because gender is a system of exploitation and discrimination. The proper thing to do is not to expand and reify gender.
Oh, you’re a boy who isn’t into sports and cars? Like dolls and fashion? You must be an egg waiting to crack or at least non-binary.
What if instead we could all be men and women, but be men and women in any way we want to be? Without any expectations, without toxicity, without alienating each other? That’s only possible with gender abolition.
You are not only incorrect, but hypocritical and selfish if you want rights for yourself, but not for other LGBT people who absolutely exist, whether you like it or not. Keep in mind that trans people were side by side with gay people at Stonewall and ever since, always fighting for LGBT equality (never just trans equality), and here you are whining that they want equal rights just like you want.
Gender exists, including non-binary genders. I suggest using some modern sources to catch up on LGBT issues, as you seem to have some unhealthy, and frankly bigoted, views on portions of the LGBT community. I’ve seen you completely overblow gender issues in some of your comments with awful and ridiculous “examples” (“transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual” and " transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick") and those shitty “examples” do not represent like any transgender or non-cisgender individuals. That’s just not what’s going on with gender issues at all. Maybe some person online said something like that, but that’s about 0.0001% of trans people.
Exactly zero of the non-cis people I know are anywhere close to your examples. They’re all just normal people who were born where their gender doesn’t match their birth sex.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359295113_The_Biological_Basis_of_Gender_Incongruence
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6748626/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6830997/
First of all, I’m really actually asking this cuz I want an opinion on this and because I don’t know much.
Do you really think that what you are suggesting could put a decrease on hate crime and discrimination and rape and belittling of all the different people, all of them belonging to different sets including gender and sex?
Gender, or at least the current western prevailing idea of gender as something innate (with an internal locus) is an oppressive construct of social control. It prevents social cohesion and solidarity. Because how can I as a white transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual understand your experiences as a black transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick?
Only when we accept the biological reality of two sexes, and the reality of free will and freedom to express ourselves, can we move past sexism and more importantly capitalism.
99.9% of this planet toils in agony so that less than a million of super-privileged people can live in luxury. That’s the problem, it’s the ONLY problem.
We have correctly identified nazis, derailed their political growth, all from the comfort of tweeting while on the toilet, and you’re mad that we can’t do the same with Exxon.
Yes, you’ve done all that. In your dreams. Meanwhile gen Z is more right wing than the previous two generations and common people are getting fed up with your gender war crap to the point where they’ll vote for DeSantis and Trump just to spite you.
Good work.
This is misinformation. Gen Z seniors in high school did tend towards right wing. Republican voters are actually sick of gender war crap coming from DeSantis and Trump, and those politicians lose engagement when they go on about trans people. 65% of the country has the liberal/freedom take on trans health issues.
Sure, but is that the “of age trans people should be able to get on hormones and surgery” or “children should be put on puberty blockers on the slightest suggestion they might be trans, and if parents don’t comply, social services should take the kids away” “liberal take on trans health issues?”
Hold up you are conflating different laws and situations. But still yes, actually, it is. Support wavers on trans issues when you get into the weeds. Most Americans don’t want to see trans binary people participating in sports, for example. They are far less likely to support trans peoppe having access to surgery as soon as they have medical autonomy (16).
I’m saying this full well knowing every single trans person is required to see 2 psychologists, and multiple doctors during their transition. More if they start as children and finish in adulthood.