Aight, we’ll first talk about stuff before 20th century, even if we exclude all the wars before Balkan was actually successfully conquered and ruled for 500 years, I’m gonna keep it short. Our leaders fought hard during Middle Ages, but later on some became vassals/slaves out of necessity.
I’m gonna keep it short, but they were doing this stuff en masse: burned entire villages and towns, burned churches executed civilians by impalement(they started it), burning on stakes and sawing, executed male population, raped and kidnapped women for harems, kidnapped little children and babies to turn them into child soldiers for their wars, those who didn’t want to give children were killed(entire families), people had to mutilate themselves to avoid slavery, genocide on population of former Yugoslavia, Greek genocide, Bulgaria, Romania etc. And this went for centuries over and over again, and we didn’t even mention Armenian genocide which along with Native American genocide partially inspired nazis. They definitely got what was coming to them after all of that just as nazis did in Eastern Europe after WW2 and I can see why Vlad is treated like that.
And just like some of the other colonial powers such as France or UK they still continued and still do similar shit TO THIS VERY DAY, nothing changed except the way they do it and leadership: some more war crimes during and after WW1, then multiple invasions of Cyprus, participation in war crimes in Korea, bombings of multiple countries in Middle East and Africa, bombing of Yugoslavia because of course they just can’t live without comiting war crimes in Balkans, supporting of terrorist organizations who traded with organs of killed civilians in Kosovo and Metohija, building an occupation base there, open genocide denial for decades, continuing to send random threats to Greece and other Balkan countries while supporting Albania who wants to snatch territory from every single neighbor, bombing of Libya, supporting terrorists, indirectly supporting ethnic cleansing in Armenia YET AGAIN by supporting Azarbaijan and most recently, in case you forgot: Syria. So yes, they stayed completely the same as they were before few hundred years just as France and UK did, same with USA, Canada etc. You cannot compare it with Ukraine as Russia didn’t do any genocides there and they’re just raging banderites today, better comparison would be Circassian genocide which was on scale of Armenian one and was committed by Russian Empire, yet they do not hold a grudge because Russia changed, Turkey didn’t. This is the stuff all Yugoslavia always agreed upon.
It doesn’t have anything to do with Islam, as Turkey itself constantly commits war crimes and antagonizes fellow Islamic countries, Turkey doesn’t represent Islam. It isn’t good to hate a single country 24/7, but when said country is constantly a threat to everyone around it even in modern times just as USA is to the entire planet, what do you expect? That would be the same if African countries stayed silent on France, Middle East stayed silent on Isn’t real or everyone stayed silent on USA.
I’m not well informed enough on the specific historical details of what happened in the Balkans in the Middle Ages to be able to judge how accurate all of that is and whether some of it is or isn’t exaggerated. I’ll leave that for others to comment on.
I am more well versed in the modern history of the region, and on that i have to say you are unfortunately right about the malign role Turkey has played and the atrocities that were committed, though frankly in my view they did most of that either as part of NATO (their involvement in Yugoslavia, Korea, etc.) or because the Western powers looked the other way and enabled/allowed them to do it (Cyprus), as they served an important role for the Anglo-Saxon imperialists in their geostrategic games first against the Russian Empire, then against the Soviet Union.
And of course Erdogan’s involvement in Syria and his constant hypocrisy in saying one thing but doing another on the issue of Palestine has also been nothing short of despicable.
That being said, i just can’t condone the kind of racism that usually comes along with the extreme anti-Turkish nationalism of the Balkans. It may not be about Islam for you, but most people who embrace these nationalist grudges don’t separate in that way, and they quickly turn it into a religion thing. I see this very often. Plus, i just don’t think that Turkey poses a threat to any of the Balkan states today, i think the whole mutual paranoia between the Turks and the Greeks over the Aegean is mostly just silly.
In the east with Armenia however…that’s a completely different story. I do think that Turkey through its support of Azerbaijan poses a significant danger to Armenia (it’s not so long ago that Nagorno Karabakh happened, when the West did absolutely nothing to denounce the Azeris for that), but i hope that their getting closer to BRICS as the whole western NATO block weakens and falls apart will calm things down there. Especially if we continue to have a strong Russian and Iranian regional influence to keep things in the Caucasus peaceful.
Considering the Armenian genocide which happened just last century, I can’t even begin to imagine parts that waren’t even documented in Middle Ages.
It’s not racism as Turkey isn’t really a race, just valid paranoia after centuries of this shit happening, while you can definitely have your average Greek, Romanian or Serb who spends 24/7 talking about Turkey and spamming Constantinople, impalement or Kebab memes because he has nothing better to do, general serious worries and dislike towards Turkey are valid since well, just look at what happened before 20 years in Balkans, with Turkey occupying parts of Kosovo and Metohija with bases and Cyprus, also bombing of Libya and of course, currently, Syria and Armenia, so the threat is constantly there. Greece definitely has to be on alert just in case considering what’s happening in every country that borders Turkey except Bulgaria, this shit is like being Mexican while Trump is president, not easy.
Aight, we’ll first talk about stuff before 20th century, even if we exclude all the wars before Balkan was actually successfully conquered and ruled for 500 years, I’m gonna keep it short. Our leaders fought hard during Middle Ages, but later on some became vassals/slaves out of necessity.
I’m gonna keep it short, but they were doing this stuff en masse: burned entire villages and towns, burned churches executed civilians by impalement(they started it), burning on stakes and sawing, executed male population, raped and kidnapped women for harems, kidnapped little children and babies to turn them into child soldiers for their wars, those who didn’t want to give children were killed(entire families), people had to mutilate themselves to avoid slavery, genocide on population of former Yugoslavia, Greek genocide, Bulgaria, Romania etc. And this went for centuries over and over again, and we didn’t even mention Armenian genocide which along with Native American genocide partially inspired nazis. They definitely got what was coming to them after all of that just as nazis did in Eastern Europe after WW2 and I can see why Vlad is treated like that.
And just like some of the other colonial powers such as France or UK they still continued and still do similar shit TO THIS VERY DAY, nothing changed except the way they do it and leadership: some more war crimes during and after WW1, then multiple invasions of Cyprus, participation in war crimes in Korea, bombings of multiple countries in Middle East and Africa, bombing of Yugoslavia because of course they just can’t live without comiting war crimes in Balkans, supporting of terrorist organizations who traded with organs of killed civilians in Kosovo and Metohija, building an occupation base there, open genocide denial for decades, continuing to send random threats to Greece and other Balkan countries while supporting Albania who wants to snatch territory from every single neighbor, bombing of Libya, supporting terrorists, indirectly supporting ethnic cleansing in Armenia YET AGAIN by supporting Azarbaijan and most recently, in case you forgot: Syria. So yes, they stayed completely the same as they were before few hundred years just as France and UK did, same with USA, Canada etc. You cannot compare it with Ukraine as Russia didn’t do any genocides there and they’re just raging banderites today, better comparison would be Circassian genocide which was on scale of Armenian one and was committed by Russian Empire, yet they do not hold a grudge because Russia changed, Turkey didn’t. This is the stuff all Yugoslavia always agreed upon.
It doesn’t have anything to do with Islam, as Turkey itself constantly commits war crimes and antagonizes fellow Islamic countries, Turkey doesn’t represent Islam. It isn’t good to hate a single country 24/7, but when said country is constantly a threat to everyone around it even in modern times just as USA is to the entire planet, what do you expect? That would be the same if African countries stayed silent on France, Middle East stayed silent on Isn’t real or everyone stayed silent on USA.
I’m not well informed enough on the specific historical details of what happened in the Balkans in the Middle Ages to be able to judge how accurate all of that is and whether some of it is or isn’t exaggerated. I’ll leave that for others to comment on.
I am more well versed in the modern history of the region, and on that i have to say you are unfortunately right about the malign role Turkey has played and the atrocities that were committed, though frankly in my view they did most of that either as part of NATO (their involvement in Yugoslavia, Korea, etc.) or because the Western powers looked the other way and enabled/allowed them to do it (Cyprus), as they served an important role for the Anglo-Saxon imperialists in their geostrategic games first against the Russian Empire, then against the Soviet Union.
And of course Erdogan’s involvement in Syria and his constant hypocrisy in saying one thing but doing another on the issue of Palestine has also been nothing short of despicable.
That being said, i just can’t condone the kind of racism that usually comes along with the extreme anti-Turkish nationalism of the Balkans. It may not be about Islam for you, but most people who embrace these nationalist grudges don’t separate in that way, and they quickly turn it into a religion thing. I see this very often. Plus, i just don’t think that Turkey poses a threat to any of the Balkan states today, i think the whole mutual paranoia between the Turks and the Greeks over the Aegean is mostly just silly.
In the east with Armenia however…that’s a completely different story. I do think that Turkey through its support of Azerbaijan poses a significant danger to Armenia (it’s not so long ago that Nagorno Karabakh happened, when the West did absolutely nothing to denounce the Azeris for that), but i hope that their getting closer to BRICS as the whole western NATO block weakens and falls apart will calm things down there. Especially if we continue to have a strong Russian and Iranian regional influence to keep things in the Caucasus peaceful.
Considering the Armenian genocide which happened just last century, I can’t even begin to imagine parts that waren’t even documented in Middle Ages.
It’s not racism as Turkey isn’t really a race, just valid paranoia after centuries of this shit happening, while you can definitely have your average Greek, Romanian or Serb who spends 24/7 talking about Turkey and spamming Constantinople, impalement or Kebab memes because he has nothing better to do, general serious worries and dislike towards Turkey are valid since well, just look at what happened before 20 years in Balkans, with Turkey occupying parts of Kosovo and Metohija with bases and Cyprus, also bombing of Libya and of course, currently, Syria and Armenia, so the threat is constantly there. Greece definitely has to be on alert just in case considering what’s happening in every country that borders Turkey except Bulgaria, this shit is like being Mexican while Trump is president, not easy.