A Russian soldier of Wagner private military company admitted in an interview with a Russian Ryazan-based outlet Svoya…
  • CareHare@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1571·
    10 months ago

    This generation in Western Europe is totally against Russia. It is necessary to uproot them in their entirety.

    Why do you think this happened? This guy has no idea.

  • fiah@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    11310·
    10 months ago

    this is great, posts like these draw out all the tankies who I can then add to my block list

      • fiah@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        986·
        10 months ago

        misguided people who simp for dictators and war criminals just because they oppose the west

      • negativeyoda@lemmy.worldEnglish
        184·
        10 months ago

        People who’ve gone so far left they’ve come full circle and gone fascist and admire authoritarian communist regimes like China and the USSR. Like flat earthers I thought they were a made up joke until I started seeing a while bunch of unironic “Stalin did nothing wrong” type commentary.

      • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
        176·
        10 months ago

        I think a better question is “where are these tankies?” because I keep seeing people talk about them on these kinds of posts and have yet to actually see a tankie. Who here is defending the killing of POWs? You’d think they exist based on some of the posts here calling out this strawman.

        • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
          261·
          10 months ago

          They’re on Lemmygrad which lemmyworld defederated from.

          • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
            69·
            10 months ago

            They can still post on communities here and I’ve definitely seen users from lemmygrad post in communities here, but I’ve never seen actual tankie rhetoric. What I do see are many here claiming that the tankies are rampant but nothing to actually back that up. Is pointing to lemmygrad like how some people point to Chicago or Detroit and make broad generalizations?

            • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
              151·
              10 months ago

              I had to switch instances to one that defederated from Hexbear because there would be hundreds of comments from them with a few tankies posting dozens of comments. It’s real. You’re just not seeing it due to the defederation.

              If you’re defederated you won’t see their comments.

        • randomperson@lemmy.worldEnglish
          73·
          10 months ago

          Creators of Lemmy are tankies. Lemmy.world defederated from their lemmygrad instance but lemmy.ml is still there unfortunately.

  • Repossess6855@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    871·
    10 months ago

    No different then when some SS officers admitted to what they did to the “undesirables” and that they deserved it, and would do it again.

  • AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7913·
    10 months ago

    Russia is a diseased country that’s trying to spread its rot. Why they aren’t dealt with more sternly is curious to me

    • Lols [they/them]@lemm.eeEnglish
      384·
      10 months ago

      because invading another country usually involves mass civilian deaths and should be avoided as a rule

      • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
        331·
        10 months ago

        Nobody wants to invade Russia. Whats absurd is that we sit around and let them invade other countries. I understand the desire to avoid escalation but if all other avenues fail there should be a willingness among free nations to boot them out swiftly and efficiently and make it clear that their dreams of empire building are done and it’s time to get their house in order instead of distracting themselves with destroying others.

      • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        141·
        10 months ago

        They maybe have nukes

        They literally can’t fuel their own tanks so whether or not their nukes are more than just expensive paperweights is very much up for discussion

      • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        153·
        10 months ago

        And foreign policies

        Basically, there’s no direct laws to prosecute other countries. There’s only sanctions. And since we can’t pull them in front of the Hague, we are using sanctions. And with “we” I mean all of the world except for a few rogue nations like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China, India, and a few more iirc.

    • evlogii@lemm.eeEnglish
      1452·
      10 months ago

      It’s sad to witness the animosity towards Russia. The responsibility lies with Putin and those who actively support him - they seized power and manipulated the populace, and commit war crimes. Not all Russians do that. Despite his suppression of independent media and the severe penalties, including up to 15 years of imprisonment, for engaging in not only “anti-war” but even “pro-peace” protests, a significant number of people continue to oppose the war.

      Putin’s narrative revolves around the notion that “in the West, they harbor hatred towards us, attempting to dismantle us.” By uttering “fuck Russia,” unwittingly or not, you’re just endorsing Putin and his propaganda. Please don’t do that. Instead, say “fuck Putin”.

        • evlogii@lemm.eeEnglish
          727·
          10 months ago

          True, but propagandists don’t care. They pick facts that support their view and discard ones that oppose it. So, for everyone who says “FUCK RUSSIA,” they answer with “SEE, SEE, WE ARE RIGHT, WE SHOULD RESIST AND FIGHT BACK.” They will just pull your words out of context.

          So, if you are a responsible citizen, I ask you not to spread hatred towards our country, but to support it on the way to sanity, normality, and democracy. Please spread hatred towards propagandists, war criminals, and usurpers instead.

          • EndlessApollo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            132·
            10 months ago

            They don’t need context, if people weren’t saying fuck Russia they would just make shit up. Fuck off and stop trying to protect their sad wittle feewings

            • evlogii@lemm.eeEnglish
              22·
              10 months ago

              I’m not protecting someone’s feelings, at least not intentionally. I’m just trying to stop hatred towards people based on their nationality. Care to take a guess who historically propagated such nationalistic hatred?

          • halfeatenpotato@lonestarlemmy.mooo.comEnglish
            24·
            10 months ago

            Thank you for sharing your perspective. I hadn’t thought about it like that, but I think you’ve got a point. When horrible people are leading a country, both horrible people and people that maybe don’t know any better will come out of the woodwork to support them and carry out their demands. That’s no reason to condemn an entire country, but every reason to condemn that leader. Blanket statements can very rarely be applied to a large group of people.

            FUCK PUTIN.

            • evlogii@lemm.eeEnglish
              22·
              10 months ago

              I genuinely appreciate your willingness to engage in a thoughtful conversation and consider different perspectives. It’s refreshing to see open-mindedness in discussions like these. Your message truly made my day, and I’m grateful for your understanding. Thank you! ❤️

      • drathvedro@lemm.eeEnglish
        171·
        10 months ago

        Russian here. Just to clarify, most of us won’t get upset if someone says “Fuck Russia”, as we understand that you mean “Fuck the Russian state” - lots of us been saying the same for a long time, as, believe it or not, living in an authoritarian state ain’t fun.

        The line gets crossed when people say “Fuck Russians”, call for oppressive measure against Russian nationals, celebrate their deaths or even outright attack them. That’s fucked up.

        • FarceMultiplier@lemmy.caEnglish
          52·
          10 months ago

          Overall, I agree with your points.

          Unfortunately though, Putin himself isn’t raping Ukrainian women, blowing up kids, destroying crops, etc. That’s on the Russians who are in Ukraine doing these things. As they showed in Nuremberg, following orders is not an excuse.

          • drathvedro@lemm.eeEnglish
            42·
            10 months ago

            This is all done by soldiers, who are out there in the battlefield. Most of them don’t have no phones nor internet. The only ones who would ever hear such message are not the ones involved in it. None of my friends raped Ukrainian women, nobody in my family blew kids up, I personally didn’t destroy any crops, why accuse all of us of something we didn’t do? Words like that are just pushing away people who don’t believe Putin’s lies.

            • FarceMultiplier@lemmy.caEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              As I said…

              That’s on the Russians who are in Ukraine doing these things.

              Are your friends in Ukraine doing these things? I said there are Russians doing these things, not Putin. Other innocent Russians of course should not be blamed for the actions of these people, but innocent Russians should stop blaming mean people on the internet and instead call out the citizens who are making Russians look bad through committing war crimes.

      • complacent_jerboa@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        10 months ago

        It would be nice if it was just Putin. And it’s true that lots of Russians are opposed to the war. It’s even probably true that lots of them are as apolitical as they can be, just doing whatever they have to do to survive day by day.

        But there are lots of Russians who support him. Even outside of Russia. There is, in fact, a large portion of the population that approves of him, despite the invasion into Ukraine. A lot of it is retired people, of course, but also shit-tons of people who listen mainly to Russian news sources, and therefore believe Putin’s propaganda.

        Even if Putin were assassinated the next day, his replacement wouldn’t be much better. Hopefully they’d pull out of Ukraine, but they would likely be just as chauvinist and nationalist as Putin. Russia’s political spectrum is, unfortunately, very close to “50 shades of nationalism”, to the point where even Navalny had to curry favor with them to build up sufficient support. And nationalists (and fascists) tend to do stupid shit like invading neighboring countries.

        I would agree that “fuck Russians” is going a step too far. But if Russia’s international reputation is shit right now, it’s no one’s fault but Putin’s, and it is unfortunately well-deserved. And, whether we like it or not, when you say “I’m from [country]”, that country’s reputation will affect how people see you. So if individual Russians around the world are facing stigma, that’s really unfortunate, but it’s the inevitable outcome of shit like this. It’s nothing new — after WWII, Germans had to deal with the exact same shit.

        • evlogii@lemm.eeEnglish
          916·
          10 months ago

          My intention was not to upset you, but rather to offer a perspective that looks beyond a blanket condemnation of a whole country. I believe in addressing issues by holding those in power accountable for their actions while recognizing that not all individuals within a nation support or approve those actions.

      • mashbooq@infosec.pubEnglish
        154·
        10 months ago

        It’s not Putin who’s committing torture, rape, and genocide of Ukrainians. It’s not Putin who’s sailing the warships, driving the tanks, laying the mines, and pushing the buttons to launch missiles. And even if there are a significant number of russians who oppose the war, the majority of them don’t. The animosity towards russia will continue to be justified until russia stands firmly against genocide.

      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
        65·
        10 months ago

        If it’s not Russia, it’s Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. etc. etc.

        The only thing our people love more than war is being told they’re right when their preferred nightly news program gives them excuses for why our country is spending all of our money on war.

    • pingveno@kbin.social
      21107·
      10 months ago

      We can talk about the murderers who are doing this without using racist epithets.

        • primbin@lemmy.oneEnglish
          29·
          10 months ago

          I agree, fuck russia, I despise the Russian army, but calling people of a specific nationality “orcs” feels kinda racist to me, idk

          I’ve seen people calling all russians orcs, not just the soldiers, even though I’m sure there are a lot of russians who are opposed to the actions of their government. It feels like it could become another harmful, racist stereotype if we all keep repeating it and defending it.

          Like, when the war is over, will Russians still be called orcs?

        • foggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          384·
          10 months ago

          I’ll take a middle road here

          It’s not good to dehumanize people. Even ones who commit atrocities.

          Dehumanization is how we got here, it’s not a good path back, unless we wanna go in circles.

          It’s subtle, but important, for us to keep human the worst humans. We need to keep salient that these atrocities are being committed by our own to our own humans. That we are all capable of it.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            126·
            10 months ago

            I agree with you. Furthermore, it’s a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They’re a dangerous animal. You wouldn’t let a dangerous animal live.

          • at_an_angle@lemmy.oneEnglish
            45·
            10 months ago

            While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is.

            And I’m empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands.

            Fuck em. Those aren’t humans. Those are monsters.

            • foggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              93·
              10 months ago

              No, they are humans, just like you.

              Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts.

              Humans are evil. There are no monsters.

              Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur.

              The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history.

            • Hacksaw@lemmy.caEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              The reason you don’t dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn’t (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It’s because it’s important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans.

              When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they’re in their initial stages.

              When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so.

              You don’t humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others.

    • _xDEADBEEF@lemm.eeEnglish
      91·
      10 months ago

      Sometimes I do think Patton wasn’t an egotistical nutter after all.

    • golamas1999@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      1917 the US and other Allies tried to intervene in the Russian Civil War on the side of the White Army.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      10 months ago

      Churchill argued at length that Russia had to be next after Germany fell. He probably was onto something there.

      • _xDEADBEEF@lemm.eeEnglish
        283·
        10 months ago

        Life isn’t so binary and simplistic.

        Get used to differing views to your own. You might learn something.

        • Guntrigger@feddit.chEnglish
          121·
          10 months ago

          Post about how allying with one evil to destroy another evil when you’re also a bit evil, leaves some evil.

          *shocked pikachu* *points finger* yOu’rE sUPpoRtINg eViL

      • ikidd@lemmy.world
        English
        142·
        10 months ago

        How the fuck is that a defence of Nazis, you redundant muffin?

        • Raz@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          Redundant muffin is a great insult, thanks for adding it to my vocabulary.

      • TexNox@feddit.ukEnglish
        6·
        10 months ago

        This comment feels so reactionary and so off the mark based on the op comment that I’m not certain this isn’t a bait post… Which I’ve just been hooked by… I should stop talking now.

  • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
    2912·
    10 months ago

    Yet people still argue russians aren’t barbarian terrorists.

    • XIIIesq@lemmy.worldEnglish
      306·
      10 months ago

      You should be wary of labelling an entire group by the actions of a few.

      Do the war crimes committed in Abu Ghrabi make all Americans barbarian terrorists?

      • JGrffn@lemmy.worldEnglish
        184·
        10 months ago

        While it’s true that it’s not the entirety of the Russian population, there’s still the oligarchs, mercenaries, media outlets, the entire government body, and a fuck ton of the military, all more than happy to fuck over their ex-comrades as soon as they get the green light. I’m pretty sure that’s who we mean when we generalize “Russians”.

        As a Latin American, this applies to Americans as well. Much love to a decent part (if not most) of the people there, but FUCK the US for fucking us all over with banana republics, neoliberalism, and red scare shenanigans, only for them to then have the galls to turn out to be xenophobic, warmongering, orangeman-loving fundamentalist pieces of shit.

        Anyway, Russia, right. Fuck Putin and his greasy ball of oligarchs.

        • XIIIesq@lemmy.worldEnglish
          111·
          10 months ago

          And the Americans used to be on the side of the Taliban when it suited them in a proxy war with Russia.

          The point I’m making is that most people want a quiet and happy life. I know that dehumanising the enemy is a natural part of war, but try to be mindful of that and leave civilians out of it.

          • PugJesus@kbin.social
            1·
            10 months ago

            And the Americans used to be on the side of the Taliban when it suited them in a proxy war with Russia.

            The Mujahideen of the 80s weren’t the Taliban. The Mujahideen-led government of the early 90s was quite explicitly attacked and overthrown by the Taliban, and reformed into the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, which still existed by the time of our intervention in Afghanistan in 2001.

        • XIIIesq@lemmy.worldEnglish
          34·
          10 months ago

          Case in point, you’re making the assumption that all Russians support the killing of these POWs.

          • loutr@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            41·
            10 months ago

            Huh, no I’m not? I’m saying the army’s and the media’s reaction to war crimes is better in the west than in Russia. Russian society seems pretty fucked up, but I know that most of individual Russians don’t have a say in it.

      • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
        47·
        10 months ago

        russia is a terrorists state. It’s up to russians to change this fact. Until they do, all of them are assisting terrorism.

        • nadram@lemmy.worldEnglish
          86·
          10 months ago

          What a silly response. Americans can’t get their leaders to allow them a minimum living wage, yet this guy wants Russians to topple a terrorist state. Stop with the group labeling. Not everyone has the knowledge / courage / ability / nothing-to-lose attitude that it takes to fight organized government mafia that’s been throwing opponents out of the Kremlin windows without restraint. Let’s give the Russian people the benefit of doubt regarding their intentions, and not call them all terrorists at least.

          • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
            24·
            10 months ago

            russians are attempting a genocide upon Ukraine. They are castrating/beheading captured soldiers, murdering/kidnapping/brainwashing Ukrainian children. Until they prove otherwise, russia is a terrorist state and russians are terrorists.

  • nomadjoanne@lemmy.worldEnglish
    739·
    10 months ago

    Uff… as much as I think Ukraine is something of a corrupt western puppet, Russia is still, well, Russia. Not a great, humanitarian society.

    • froggers@lemmy.worldEnglish
      331·
      10 months ago

      man, it’s always a good reminder, that lemmygrad users are literally just Nazis parading around as leftists.

    • Uranium_Green@slrpnk.netEnglish
      561·
      10 months ago

      How is that relevant to the article?

      Russia: a capitalist oligarchy, which hasn’t been communist for 30 years.

      Wagner Group: A private military/mercenary group/soldiers for hire.