Summary
Former federal prosecutor Sara Levine, fired by Trump, warned on 60 Minutes that the Justice Department is “under attack.”
Levine, who prosecuted January 6 rioters, said she was fired for upholding the law.
Legal expert Peter Keisler criticized Trump’s pardons of Capitol rioters, arguing they signal that crimes committed in support of Trump’s agenda may go unpunished.
These actions undermine the rule of law and discouraging accountability for political violence.
In no universe would a Democrat President even be allowed to joke about the things that Trump is doing in plain sight.
How long are you guys going to wait until doing something?
I’m sure if they just occupied the right sidewalk that oligarchs never walk on, or write just the right sensational slogan on a picket sign, that’ll be enough to fix things. Nothing wrong with attempting to try, but it might actually do something if they occupied, i don’t maybe gated communities for millionaires/billionaires. Outside just one of their mansions, just one. Imagine if BLM or Occupy could happen at a billionaires mansion, even if they weren’t home.
Always rules for thee, not for me
We did something already. It didn’t work.
The terrifying part happened at the election.
This was the expected part.
The next terrifying part is that we might not kick them out.
I’ve been terrified since early November
Me too
When idiots vote for a felon, they should expect that felon to destroy the system that might hold him accountable some day.
I need more than Half the states to declare that Trump is a national emergency, and then set legislation to limit all Federal Authority in state level Justice Matters AND mark federal government actions, laws, and executive orders as null/void or something like that. We have to take power away from the Federal Government if it can’t be checked and balanced.
That path is dangerous, too. It’s currently what’s allowing states to deny abortions and I bet it would eventually be used to re-legalize slavery.
Slavery is already legal in the US.
Why do you think we have 1/4 of the global prisoner population? Like, 1.9 million slaves are currently held in prisons in the US.
I knew I’d get this comment. And you’re not wrong, that is the case. But I’m referring to it being fully legal and accepted. Like open-air slave market level.
I don’t know how much more close we need to get to open air slave markets here, really… Have you seen a prison yard?
Ah yes, the famous prison yards where I can go participate in the slave auctions and literally purchase people as property. I get your point, but they’re really not the same.
The state of the prison system is awful but this comparison really feels like it minimizes the horrors of chattel slavery.
Ah yes, the famous prison yards where I can go participate in the slave auctions and literally purchase people as property.
YOU can’t, but privateers certainly can. How do you think we lease out humans from prison to private corporations?
At that point, civil war 3. Probably with non-south allies on the other side.
Legal expert Peter Keisler criticized Trump’s pardons of Capitol rioters, arguing they signal that crimes committed in support of Trump’s agenda may go unpunished.
Um, isn’t that the main point why Trump did it?
It’s like the entire liberal world has been conditioned to act like the things that are very obviously happening may happen … not right now though … at some future unknown date … so you don’t need to worry about it really. Don’t rock the boat and certainly don’t miss work tomorrow… just continue consuming and hold tight while someone else presumably sorts it out.
It’s like a civilization-wide bystander effect.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice
This is what pisses me off about all the people who kept talking about how the Democrats were failing to get voters engaged in 2024.
If the Dems weren’t doing the job, what was keeping you from stepping up?
Its like there was a fire going on and people were complaining the firemen weren’t doing enough instead of jumping in and helping.
Why should we fight for democrats when they don’t fight for us?
The Democrats were never going to meet this moment.
So, what’s your plan?
Just roll over and let Trump do what he wants?
Create a viable 3rd party in 24 months?
Give me some options.
I’m not a politician. I developed an entirely different set of skills. Throwing away my career at the potential of reskilling is absurd.
And Dems weren’t doing their job. I’m tired of people pretending like that’s acceptable. I canvass. I get people ready to vote. I do my part.
I can’t even tell you the last time a Dem policy benefitted me directly. What I have in common with them really just boils down to them being the only opposition right now. I pushed Harris like we had to and I’ll never forgive them for running such an unlovable candidate. They knew what they were doing. The second there’s another serious option I’m gone. Dems complete lack of opposition makes them complicit in everything that’s happening.
AOC and Omar have entered the chat.
If you don’t like the Dems that are in power now, you can primary them. If we get another election.
How long until the dems have effective leadership putting people like AOC and Omar in the spotlight and building around them rather than keeping them on the fringes?
Gee, almost as if you should be out there helping folks win the next set of primaries.
You didn’t answer my question.
Hard to do, when local Dem committees fight you too, while helping the GOP win seats.
We haven’t had a real primary in a long time.
AOC is a joke. I will actually not support that in any way. Dems are just as capable for what’s happening. They’re actively complicit.
So, what’s your plan?
Just roll over and let Trump do what he wants?
Create a viable 3rd party in 24 months?
Give me some options.
Lmao if you get a primary. Trump wasnt the one who took that away from you last time, and he wasnt the one who screwed over bernie before that. Good job pointing to the two token progressives as if that doesnt prove the other guy’s point.
Keep saying both sides are the same enough, maybe you can convince yourself.
Thats literally not what im saying. Im saying you all should have demanded the democrats be better, not just pledged your undying devotion because they arent as bad. But keep blaming everyone except the politicians who fucked you, thats turning out great.
The Harris campaign spent a billion and a half dollars on “getting voters engaged” and she still lost anyway. All the phone-banking and door-knocking in the world can’t overcome the fundamental problem of refusing to adopt policies the people actually want!
So please, explain to me exactly what the fuck kind of “stepping up” you expect randos from the Internet, who had no ability to affect the campaign’s platform, to actually fucking do?!
Idk, maybe voting against the dude who straight up said he would be a dictator and you’d never vote again?
That wasn’t enough for the grandparent commenter, who was trying to shame people for not getting other people to vote too.
Probably the part where I didn’t receive over a billion dollars in donations to actually get media attention. A lot of people have been campaigning to get people to ditch the Democrats because they’re controlled corporate stooges for the last few decades, I think you were shouting at them for supporting third parties at the time.
And they should have been shouted at. The current system does not allow for third party viability as disappointing as that is.
Uh-huh, and how is constantly voting for the lesser evil going for you? What did you seriously expect to happen? We’d just keep slipping towards fascism but never actually reach it?
It’s possible for you guys to both be right.
The thing about our system only ever allowing two viable parties is true. And once you’re at the general election, you can vote however you like but you ARE getting one of two choices, no matter how good or evil they are.
To fix things from within that system, it’s important to work to put a good choice on the ballot well before the election arrives.
…but since corporations are people and money is speech, that didn’t work very well. And now fair elections are probably a thing of the past. This shit might not get fixed until the greater evil burns it down.
You and people like you are the problem, and you’re blaming the people who are being directly affected by the poor decisions you yourself are choosing to make.
How exactly, is Chuck Fucking Schumer being most impacted?
The fact that this is constantly the response from libs being called out is honestly the reason I have given up. I’ve spent the last decade being politically active, trying to motivate Americans to vote in their own self-interest for things that will actually improve their lives, and I’ve received nothing but insults and assumptions from centrists who’ve never done a damn thing to prevent the collapse we’re witnessing now.
So yeah, fuck it. My informed opinion after campaigning for third parties and leftists for years is that Americans deserve everything that is going to happen to us. You didn’t want a democracy, and now you don’t have one. Congrats!
Is it the lesser evil if it’s on the same team as the greater evil?
BoTh siDes ARe thE Same?
How is that working out for you?
Read up on how Hitler took power in the first place.
A lot of people hated him, but they hated other politicians more and decided that letting him have a go at it wouldn’t be a bad thing.
If you thought a third party was going to come to the rescue in 2024 you have my abject sympathy.
The problem?
Neither party was ever going to save us.
Assuming Harris won, she would just keep riding Bidens policy, and chant “I’m not Trump” and pretend it was good enough.
Until Trump ran again, and again… Dems never changing, except keep moving to the right.
I mean… Dick Fucking Cheney and her teaming up? Fucking christ.
So, you’re saying that Dick Cheney was willing to change a lifetime habit and stand up against fascism but you are going to let Trump keep rolling instead of doing something useful?
Or do you have a credible 3rd Party that’s on the ballot in all fifty states?
Was he, though?
A third party had no chance of coming to the rescue in 2024 because everyone has attacked third parties in the U.S. for at least the three decades I’ve been alive, and I’m pretty sure for another few decades before that.
Also, you’re conveniently ignoring the economic conditions of the Weimar Republic that made the rise of Nazism in Germany an inevitability. Just like all the libs ignoring the economic conditions in the U.S. that led to the rise of Trumpism.
So, we agree. There was no other option except Harris and people didn’t vote for Harris because they decided it was more important to blame the Dems then fight the actual fascist.
But yes, I’m sure that the same folks who couldn’t get Bernie nominated in 2016, 2020, and 2024 will become political savants now and organize a powerful third party in less than 24 months.
I think you’re looking at it from the wrong angle. The problem is that the moderate libs have consistently shut down third party and leftist options for the last few decades. Since the Democrats haven’t had any competition, they have abandoned their constituency, and now work exclusively for corporate interests. By constantly voting for the “lesser evil”, you have allowed them to blossom into an evil that the average American cannot distinguish from fascism.
I’m not expecting anyone to organize anything. At this point, I’m just pulling up a chair to watch the collapse. But good job insulting the Bernie Bros who tried to pull you out of this downward spiral, it’s good to know that the center will punch left no matter what.
The Dems rightfully got blamed for being genociders.
They also were rightfully blamed by ignoring the working class demands.
My analogy is that it was like someone threw a molotov cocktail through your window, but you let the house burn down because the window didn’t stop the bottle.
That’ll teach that window.
I realize people have difficulty parsing language sometimes, but she did not say “may signal” she said “signals”. She said he is doing exactly what you both are saying he is doing. Basically: You appear to be in violent agreement with her.
The “may” only comes in that if you commit acts of treason, etc. on behalf of dear leader, you may or may not show up on his radar.
I realize people have difficulty parsing language sometimes, but she did not say “may signal” she said “signals”. She said he is doing exactly what you both are saying he is doing. Basically: You appear to be in violent agreement with her.
“Glass houses,” buddy. Check the sentence again:
Legal expert Peter Keisler criticized Trump’s pardons of Capitol rioters, arguing they signal that crimes committed in support of Trump’s agenda may go unpunished.
The future/hypothetical part of it that the person you replied to was complaining about wasn’t the “signals” part, it was the “may go unpunished” part. In other words, the legal expert in question isn’t in denial of what Trump’s pardons “signal;” he (not “she,” BTW – you misread that, too) is in denial of the fact that the effect being signaled is already currently happening.
You cannot replace “may” with “will” or “shall” in that sentence and be correct 100% of the time.
Further, your admitted problem is you are trying to assess past actions to invalidate a forward looking statement, and it makes you wrong. The sentence is correct (and correctly parsed) as “crimes [which have not been adjudicated] may go unpunished.”
Note the tense of the word “may” is future, not past. Which is why you are wrong.
Someone’s gonna be killed by one of these J6 yoyos. Could be a SC justice after a ruling that goes against Trump, could be one of those key people from the last administration that Trump quite openly dropped security details for.
Will Trump go the extra mile and pardon them? Will his party full of Christian Conservatives ignore their God’s commandment “Thou Shall Not Kill” when the victim is a political opponent who they don’t like? Of course they will.
At least three of them have already been re-arrested for other crimes.
One was killed by the cops, too
To be fair, that may be one of the ones I was thinking of.
The DOJ has been under attack since Jan 2018.
Lots of warnings and recommendations to be scared.
Very few saying what to do.
The only way to take on a bully is to bloody his nose.
French would argue that the guillotine is the more civilized way to do it… 
This 100%
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The clear thing was “vote for Harris”. It was just that a lot of people wanted to punish Democrats for the Palestinian genocide.
That was only clear to those who think the USA is a working democracy, where the purple states have fair elections. It was clear to idealists or uninformed.
To those who understand why computer ballots should not be used, or just plain cynical, it was clear the choice was out of our hands
I find it very telling when someone gets mad at the people who couldn’t stomach voting for a genocide, rather than getting mad at the party for running on a pro-genocide platform
We sure showed them by electing double genocide for Palestine
We did?
Eh… fewer Palestinians are dying each day than were under Biden…
And soon there won’t be any Palestinians left. On the bright side, you’ll be able to stay at a Trump hotel in the Gaza Strip! Is it too early to congratulate ourselves?
And soon there won’t be any Palestinians left.
That was the course under Biden too… So, no course change there.
On the bright side, you’ll be able to stay at a Trump hotel at the Gaza Strip!
You know, we can still stop this right? Its time to start doing things that make you uncomfortable.
Is it too salty to congratulate ourselves?
What is amazing, is you somehow think Harris would have stopped any of this…
Ah! I see! What’s happening now to the Palestinians would have happened either way. In that case, thank goodness we decided to make everything else demonstrably much worse as a means of not changing this outcome?
Sounds like the US is getting to experience the US…
Temporary lull, only
Probably, but the point being made was “Oh no! The genocide is WORSE under Trump”, and it’s objectively false.
Trump is mostly worse for people in the US, which is what your problem is. You likely don’t care until it impacts you, personally. Which is the same problem with MAGAts. Whole leopards and faces thing.
Trump is mostly worse for people in the US
I wonder what the Ukrainians, Canadians, et al. would have to say about this…
I wonder what the Ukrainians, Canadians, et al. would have to say about this…
Learning a lesson they needed to learn much sooner: Its very dangerous to be an ally of the US. Ask the Kurds. Or the Vietnamese.
I never deliver a blunt warning cuz I always pass that shit after two puffs.
