I’ve been interested to ask this after seeing so much happen in this community. How would you define a troll? The modlogs show many communities have rules against “trolling” but what is actually going on that makes it register with people.
I’m making an instance of my own and wanted to know. The last time I was on here, there was a drama about a mod which was based on another drama about the same mod, and this in turn was based on another drama about the same mod, which itself was based on a drama about that mod. That’s a revelation with many implications I never see mentioned, that these are all connected (why isn’t anyone mentioning this). I know this person, I know it’s slander against her. Everyone called her a troll though for defending herself, which a few argue is in the same way a lot of people don’t see issue with outright releasing private information.
I am a community owner and am on hiatus from helping out in another instance. I wanted everyone to know the person making the claims about her has been vetted and given the boot at least once, while the mod has been vetted and cleared of all suspicions, especially with it coming out now the people involved have compromised their agenda. I see he has gone on Shitter (linking to it only because XCancel is a mess and doesn’t have a “sort by user replies” category system, which is an enormous oversight, and because this is someone who was praised on here with a hundred upvotes) to mass-slander-campaign against the person, as that’s the sole bulk of their reply history. In a way, he even makes us look bad. These people are obsessed enough I understand the motives behind a previous question here that caused a lot of raised eyebrows. And that’s not a troll? Is Shitter suddenly okay to reference again, considering the indifference with them? I’m eager to make it okay in my instance if it is.
Obvious troll is obvious but “trolling” has been used against me too many times by lemmy.world mods because they did not like what I was dishing out.
I stand behind my analysis
Hello, thought I’d add some clarification and context as OP’s post is pretty long and difficult to read. OP is talking about this post, and is asking if the person the post is about, shinigamiookamiryuu, could be considered a troll.
It appears Shinigamiookamiryuu is known for doing controversial things across the internet on their various aliases, such as requesting a story being written of themselves and a forum member who they knew was 14 going on a date together.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
They also downplayed Elon Musk’s Nazi salute, and compared it to Pokemon:
It’s not clarification if it doesn’t give all the details. If we are to say this is a discussion about if what you are doing is considered trolling, you trying to repeat the very thing OP was asking about is out of place. Those who are banned should also take a hint, ban evaders are enough of an issue as is, whether or not they “mass downvote” things which are known to not attract a negative opinion under honest circumstances like is going on here.
Funnily enough, the exchanges you are trying to point to speak for themselves if only people actually look into them. One happened because people missed a beat and the other two are out of context. The fact you simply won’t rest shows who the real antagonist is.
What’s your definition OP? I think I’m going with the textbook definition: Someone who posts deliberately offensive or provocative messages.
That would be the best way to explain my definition. Though that is the reason why so much of this confuses me. For a self-proclaimed Marxist safe haven, if the people of Lemmy were encountered with controlled opposition, everyone seems like they’d be ill-prepared to know what they’re looking at.
Though the majority of this community isn’t Marxist or Communist. The developers are, but major parts of the community hate it, and they migrated towards other instances… Which make the majority of Lemmy as of today. You just have to avoid lemmy.ml and lemmygrad (and hexbear)
I will not dig into this specific case because it’s simply too much info that I’d need to know before saying “yup/nope, they’re a/no troll”. So, focusing in the question in the OP:
I define a “troll” as online community user with consistently disruptive behaviour, that griefs the experience of a meaningfully large proportion of the users of said community.
So, when applied to this case:
- Which community is the user allegedly trolling? “Lemmy as a whole”, that instance, or a specific comm?
- How are they allegedly trolling it? Shitposting, off-topic, unnecessary adversative remarks…?
