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There might be some changes that could improve it further:
- Remove Brave
- Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized
- Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
- Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
- Add GrapheneOS
- Maybe add Delta chat
- Maybe remove Bluesky
- Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it’s selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)
- Add ente because Immich is selfhosted
- Add aurora
- Add SearxNG
Any other suggestions?
Lichess instead of chess(dot)com.
Thanks to another post in this community I found out about and it is great.
- Open source
- No ads
- unlimited puzzels from real games
- No constant message to buy premium
- All the finances are public
You can donate to the project, if you have the means and enjoy the app please do.
Add SearxNG as a search engine option.
Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized
signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can’t self host and isn’t federate isn’t worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.
Maybe add Delta chat
Delta chat is basically email.
Remove Stremio
Why? Because it’s torrents?
Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there’s no legal alternative that’s available in all europe.
Add aurora
Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid
Delta chat is basically email.
and how is that exactly a problem? the protocol is email, but email done right is actually good and fast, as it can be tested if you actually try out the app. The new chatmail servers are optimized for chatting, the main reason classic email providers suck is because they have to deal with spam and arbitrary decisions like gray-listing etc
Email isn’t a good protocol for instant messaging (it wasn’t designed for real time communication and it lacks some features like typing indicators or voice/video calls)
signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can’t self host and isn’t federate isn’t worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.
Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren’t part of the base protocol.
Delta chat is basically email.
It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK
Why? Because it’s torrents?
Yes, it’s not really a good alternative since it’s illegal. I’m not judging but it’s not a good option for most people.
Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid
Droid-ify is F-droid
Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren’t part of the base protocol.
Just because it is not part of the base protocol, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or supports it.
I like it for personal reasons. Just because is lightweight and there are way much more servers than matrix, imho makes it better. However, In the end it boils down to personal preferences and your attack surface.
It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK
WHen i tried it years ago, it was just a normal email with a special subject that the delta chat client would read, parse and display.
WHen i tried it years ago
you should try it again, Delta Chat is totally on a different level than a few years ago, there has been tons of improvements, I started using it around 2018, now I am even contributing to it
Obtainum + F-Droid is best combo.
FYI, droid-ify is an F-droid app
I know I also used it but it’s just like frontend for F-Droid repo. That’s why I said F-Droid
Why are brave, lineage os and youtube revanced there, but not aurora store
And Stremio but not Jellyfin?
Fun that Element is on the list, while there is a 3rd bill attempt in a year to forbid or bypass encryption in instant messaging. Europe maybe not as fascist as US or Russia, it’s still is a shitty capitalist and imperialist place.
Yes exactly I’m mostly on-board with this flyer, I particularly like that tagline. But the inclusion of the EU flag is just completely bewildering to me, even as an EU resident myself. Are there really people out there who see the EU as some sort of bastion of freedom and justice?! Or is this some noncredibledefense-esque ironic meme that I’m too dumb to understand?
I feel like there would be value in having a “self hosted” column or tag. Like I think jellyfin should be on this list but if I went to switch from a streaming service to a self hosted jellyfin I’d be immediately upset that this list isn’t offering alternatives that are “ready to play” so to speak.
Just a friction point deterrence.
Yes, if I create my own version I will add something to differentiate.
do it!
Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don’t give them choice paralysis too.
I completely agree! I switched to Linux Mint yesterday, and please don’t give me a bunch of alternatives before even deciding to try out Linux 🤣 Took me much longer to take the leap BECAUSE of all those alternatives.
How’s it going so far?
I honestly agree here. Better to suggest a specific distro than just saying “use Linux”.
Linux Mint is the simplest Linux distro if you come from Windows, unless there are others that recommendation is pretty much accurate.
Anyone else who uses other distros on a daily basis will simply skip that recommendation.
Nobara is a really solid distro for gamers. It’s packaged with a lot of stuff to streamline the setup.
Lineage OS doesn’t support Bootloader Re-locking (well tbf that’s a manufacturer issue) and Verified Boot, so its a huge security issue. Like, if you want to avoid google and have security, Graphene OS is the only real option for a phone, which ironically, is only available on a Google Phone 🙃
Netflix… —> thepiratebay[DOT]org (replace [DOT] with a dot) 🏴☠️😉 (might need a VPN since some countries block it, and you wouldn’t want to torrent without a VPN anyways)
And Briar for messaging (Android Only). It’s all Peer-to-Peer, and doesn’t go through ANY central servers, maximum independence. And censorship resistant because of default Tor usage, and also local Bluetooth synching for like mass protests, in case your government also gets a bit… fascist… and shut down the internet.
Theres also CalyxOS, which is not only easier to install than lineage, but also relocks the bootloader and includes MicroG, which improves overall compatibility (especially regarding banking apps).
torrents-csv.com works great
Lineageos apparently does but you need to build and sign it yourself
Also add Fairphone (Netherlands) and Nothing (UK) as alternatives to iPhone and other Androids.
I thought that section was more to get away from stock android and google rather than just US companies, I have a nothing phone and it very much uses regular android and google services though the bootloader is unlockable to install something like LineageOS.
So as someone who recently went from MacOS to Linux (at least partially) Mint is terrible for macOS users. It is like going back to windows. I get it is the easiest for Windows users but maybe add a row for Macos to Fedora or something (but maybe it is too complicated, I just know most mac users would scoff at Mint’s interface).
Have you tried https://hyprland.org/? I installed on an Mac Air (2013) over Arch and it works surprisingly well. Otherwise, if you want the macOS touch you could try https://elementary.io/
I have not yet :) Currently using Fedora XFCE, my first distro (tried Mint as well but wasn’t for me) as most others failed to install on my mac and Fedora workstation was too slow on the old thing.
XFCE is however really good for keyboard navigation, never have to touch my mouse. My biggest issue with GNOME coming from MacOS was that keyboard navigation in the GUI was very inconsistent. The part that I always liked with MacOS was overall design philosophy enforced everywhere. Still, for many Mac users GNOME is probably still preferable because it is so incredibly readable, just works and looks good.
I’ll look into hyprland, thank you!
Bazzite is also worth looking into if you enjoy fedora.
Actually a solid point, we should suggest a flavor of Linux that prefers Gnome for Mac users. It’s the closest default to their workflow afaik
This is the pic that made me join
Nice, if you have any questions about Lemmy feel free to ask
you love to hear it
I get the desire to post “simple” answers like this. And while some of the recommends do make sense… I believe the lists should be better researched. A few other comments also pointed out some of the issues already.
I’ve noticed with a lot of these lists that worse/unreasonable/less private/less secure/not even European or FOSS are being recommended as alternatives and I think they do more harm than good for people that might need genuine help making this process more simple. They also tend to miss a lot of excellent alternatives.
For what it’s worth, these lists oversimplify and can’t take into account individual needs, so own research is always necessary IMO.
For me, it’s paramount that the software we use is secure and privacy respecting / transparent. A great resource for good recommendations is: privacyguides.org .
I see that this is focused on foss alternatives streaming wide I would suggest mubi and your local library which often include streaming services. At least here in Germany.
