I don’t think it runs that deep. I think we’re just way more aware of these dickheads with the 24 hour news cycle and endless communication on the internet.
I think it runs so much deeper than even politics. Spiritual ignorance is a malignant mind virus. The genocide of Nazis is a symptom of spiritual corruption. I don’t suspect a conscious conspiracy as much as an approaching critical mass. This high energy state is unsustainable. Eventually there will be a short circuit that will ground this ignorance back into reality.
What is spiritual ignorance and spiritual corruption? They just sound like meaningless nonsense phrases meant to point to an ethereal, nebulous common link that you assume exists but can’t identify.
Spiritual ignorance is resistance to gnosis. Gnosis is the realization that consciousness is the basis of the universe, and every atrocity you commit in the name of ego is a wound upon your greater self. It’s why Jesus warned against wealth and earthly authority, and why those authorities murdered him and used his legend to perpetuate their own existence. You don’t even need to believe in spiritualism or Christianity to understand that the material world is only half the story. You go to sleep every night and exist in an entirely new world built upon your own consciousness. Your waking life is just the dream of a higher order of consciousness as well.
If consciousness is the basis of the universe, I would ask you to demonstrate it.
Personally, the only consciousness I’m aware of comes from living, corporeal beings. Science’s best understanding tells me that the universe existed for 10 billion years before the Earth. And the Earth is the only place that I’m aware of consciousness existing. Therefore, in my understanding, consciousness could not possibly be the basis of the universe.
Everything you’ve said sounds like spiritual and religious woo. No thanks, I prefer reality.
I can’t open a closed mind. I would be glad to discuss the topic with you, but I’m not going to waste my time trying to fight you over it. So I’ll ask you, what would you accept as proof? If nothing can prove to you that consciousness is the basis of the universe, then there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.
I will believe anything that has sufficient evidence to believe it is true or likely true. I am skeptical of your claim, but not closed minded.
You believe that this is true, why do you believe it?
If I don’t have any reason to believe it, or in other words, I’ve seen no evidence that leads me to believe it is true, how could I tell you what would prove it? It just seems like you’re trying to shift the burden of proof to me, but you’re the one claiming it is true.
Asking what you’d accept as proof is a reasonable request. If you’re asking me to violate physics or introduce you to God, I can’t do that. I can provide some context that might expand your perspective, but if I waste my time sending you a sincere response only for you to dismiss it without consideration, that serves neither of us. We’re having this conversation because you requested it, and I’ll take it on good faith that you are curious and not just trying to win some imaginary argument.
Additionally, I’ll go ahead and concede that I can’t prove any of this any more than I can prove my own consciousness. I can only describe the landscape as I perceive it, and hope it connects some dots for you as well. First of all, reject any notion of a familiar religion unless you’re already versed in gnosticism and hermeticism. We’ll start with a universal language, mathematics. Since mathematics attempts to describe the universe objectively, it doesn’t have the same biases as religions and philosophies. What I’m going to try to describe is a reality that is an infinite fractal of consciousness.
We know we exist, at least I know I exist and I take it on good faith that I’m not the only conscious person. It seems reasonable that things which operate similarly and which come from the same source share attributes. Our material reality exists, at least in the same way that our individual perspectives exist. That reality seems consistent despite our perspective as individual observers. The evidence so far indicates that reality is a phenomenon that exists on a higher order than our individual consciousness. We know from our observations of reality, that infinities and paradoxes are disguised in every mundane object. The Dichotomy Paradox says you can split a candybar into infinite pieces by slicing each piece into half, but obviously that’s not the case. Everything in the universe is moving, but the illusion of stillness exists due to orders of magnitude. The vibration of an atom in a piece of Earth only differs from the vibration of a supernova by degrees of magnitude. But we’re in an infinite field that’s always expanding. What did it expand out of and what is it expanding into? I assert that it isn’t expanding into anything and it didn’t come from anywhere. It’s just a massive sine wave of a vibration so large in scale that it appears infinite. It’s vibrating into itself like a cavitation bubble in an infinite ocean. It supports in its infinite curve smaller infinite waves that represent fundamental forces in our universe. Dimensionality, gravity, the speed of light and more are all curves on this order. Where they intersect, they create interference patterns, ripples, standing waves in spacetime. These massive ripples result in universes, their ripples contain galaxies, those ripples contain solar systems. Any place the intersection of curves interacts to create smaller fractals there is a refinement in complexity. The matter we’re made of reflects these intersections all the way down to the lowest level. Subatomic particles are the same shape as the universe. The “goldilocks zone” for stars is just that place in the gravity well where the intersecting curves can refract into living organisms. In a biome as rich as the Earth’s thinking creatures can come into existence as long as the environment is just hostile enough to require predation and just abundant enough to allow for leisure. That’s the the whole spectrum. There’s the Light and it’s many emmenations, and there’s the darkness consuming everything that falls into it.
Even in your life, you have to maintain that Goldilocks balance to have a healthy body and mind; what the Buddhists call, “The Middle Path,” also known as the Eternal Tau. I’m going to get away from logic and venture into the unknown now. With my belief that consciousness is the basis for reality, I also believe it’s the true center of the universe, the inner eye, or God’s eye. I think that from “God’s” perspective reality is like a Panopticon. Where this central conscious gaze directs its attention, it experiences a reality. It forgets it was everything so that it can experience a small part of itself. Like that meme, “Could God microwave a burrito so hot even He couldn’t eat it?” The answer is yes, if He forgets he’s God. In this infinite field, every possible configuration of information exists, both sensical and nonsensical, ordered and chaotic. It’s all there to be experienced for eternity.
If you’re asking me to violate physics or introduce you to God, I can’t do that.
Your assertion violates physics, so that’s not a good start.
I can provide some context that might expand your perspective
That’s… A very arrogant way to say “let me explain what I think”.
I’ll go ahead and concede that I can’t prove any of this any more than I can prove my own consciousness.
This also doesn’t set a good precedent.
We’ll start with a universal language, mathematics. Since mathematics attempts to describe the universe objectively, it doesn’t have the same biases as religions and philosophies. What I’m going to try to describe is a reality that is an infinite fractal of consciousness.
Okay, sounds like an interesting idea.
We know we exist, at least I know I exist and I take it on good faith that I’m not the only conscious person. It seems reasonable that things which operate similarly and which come from the same source share attributes.
Maybe pedantic, but it depends what you mean by “share”. We both share the trait of having skin, but not the same skin, for example.
Our material reality exists, at least in the same way that our individual perspectives exist. That reality seems consistent despite our perspective as individual observers.
So far, so good. Material reality exists before anything can perceive it.
The evidence so far indicates that reality is a phenomenon that exists on a higher order than our individual consciousness.
What do you mean by “higher order”? This seems a random introduction of levels of reality, apropos of nothing. I can at least concede that our subjective experience of reality is separate and not necessarily representative of actual reality, but separating them into “orders” seems to imply transcendence of some kind.
We know from our observations of reality, that infinities and paradoxes are disguised in every mundane object.
There appears to be some conflation of concepts going on here, but it would be better if you were to explain this concept itself in depth before going on to develop further theories based on such a concept. With such a vaguely phrased statement, it’s hard to even know where to come at it.
The Dichotomy Paradox says you can split a candybar into infinite pieces by slicing each piece into half, but obviously that’s not the case.
The way I see it is, it is not impossible to complete an infinite number of tasks. It is merely impossible to list them. You unequivocally cannot get from A to B without getting halfway, and quarter, eighth, and so on. These infinite fractions are indeed reached, it’s just impossible to keep track of.
Everything in the universe is moving, but the illusion of stillness exists due to orders of magnitude.
True but inconsequential. That’s just gravity and the remnants of the initial universal expansion.
The vibration of an atom in a piece of Earth only differs from the vibration of a supernova by degrees of magnitude.
Once again, true but inconsequential.
But we’re in an infinite field that’s always expanding. What did it expand out of and what is it expanding into?
“Expanding out of” is a non-question. What does gas expand “out of” when it fills a room? Itself, if you really need an answer. As for “into”, that’s also a non-question. The universe is the totality of everything. IT makes no sense for there to be anything other than the universe. Therefore, the best description is simply “growth” - a growth of the universe.
I assert that it isn’t expanding into anything and it didn’t come from anywhere.
That is at least vaguely consistent with reality, yes.
It’s just a massive sine wave of a vibration so large in scale that it appears infinite.
My question to this, and everything that flows from it is:
Why? Why do you say this? This is a massive logical leap, seemingly from nowhere. Why a sine wave? A sine wave of what? What makes you say there is a universal vibration that everything is apparently tuned to? Why not a square wave, or a sawtooth?
It’s vibrating into itself like a cavitation bubble in an infinite ocean. It supports in its infinite curve smaller infinite waves that represent fundamental forces in our universe. Dimensionality, gravity, the speed of light and more are all curves on this order.
This is just pure imagination. It’d be great in a sci-fi book - genuinely, I’d love to read a sci-fi book based on an idea like this, go ahead and write it, I’ll read it - but I’m really not seeing the jumping off point for this, based on your explanations beforehand. It’s like, “A, therefore B, therefore Giraffe”. A non sequitur.
Where they intersect, they create interference patterns, ripples, standing waves in spacetime.
Such chaotic interference in the fundamental forces of the universe would be readily apparent, especially in gravity.
These massive ripples result in universes, their ripples contain galaxies, those ripples contain solar systems.
This is another huge leap in logic, from absolutely nowhere!
Any place the intersection of curves interacts to create smaller fractals there is a refinement in complexity.
Ooookay, I guess that makes sense for worldbuilding.
The matter we’re made of reflects these intersections all the way down to the lowest level. Subatomic particles are the same shape as the universe.
Thaaaaat’s a bit of a stretch, since, with the existence of gravity, you can expect such shapes to naturally form regardless. There’s no meaning in the resemblance.
The “goldilocks zone” for stars is just that place in the gravity well where the intersecting curve can refract into living organisms.
…No, it’s just the likely place for the right amount of heat to reach a planet…
In a biome as rich as the Earth’s thinking creatures can come into existence as long as the environment is just hostile enough to require predation and just abundant enough to allow for leisure.
Okay, another random fact thrown in to make the preceding bs sound plausible.
That’s the the whole spectrum. There’s the Light and it’s many emmenations, and there’s the darkness consuming everything that falls into it.
And… just abstract poetry to round it off.
I would like to mention that though you called this a mathematical theory, mathematics plays absolutely no role in your theory, other than mentioning sine waves, fractals and infinity - these concepts are not meaningfully explored except for their poetic and emotional weight.
Even in your life, you have to maintain that Goldilocks balance to have a healthy body and mind; what the Buddhists call, “The Middle Path,” also known as the Eternal Tau.
That is a damn stretch and a half to compare the habitable zone of a star to a philosophical doctrine, but I’ll grant that it does have poetic relevance.
I’m going to get away from logic and venture into the unknown now.
My buddy, you left logic behind long ago.
With my belief that consciousness is the basis for reality
(Which you have not yet actually provided any reasoning for)
I also believe it’s the true center of the universe, the inner eye, or God’s eye. I think that from “God’s” perspective reality is like a Panopticon.
That’s an interesting thought, but I see no reason to believe it, since you have provided none.
Where this central conscious gaze directs its attention, it experiences a reality.
It experiences reality the whole time, the gaze just changes which part of reality it is perceiving.
It forgets it was everything so that it can experience a small part of itself.
When was it everything - did you mention that at some point?
Like that meme, “Could God microwave a burrito so hot even He couldn’t eat it?” The answer is yes, if He forgets he’s God.
Did you establish that you have to remember reality for it to exist? I don’t think you did. You must have forgotten, and that’s why it doesn’t exist.
I’ve been thinking about this a bit more, and I’d like to add that you’re not totally mad, as I seem to imply. There is some logic in your claims individually, but little connecting them, and not much depth to them. Though, you seem to have stumbled upon ideas similar to Hegel, particularly the idea of quantitative change leading to qualitative change, as scattered and unrefined as the ideas are.
Counterarguments to “cogito” have been made that remove the “I”, stating that you only know that thought is occurring, but not that you’re doing it. But I have no issue with cogito, but it is an obvious presupposition that others exist or reality exist. The problem of solipsism cannot be solved. But they are assumptions we all make, otherwise we can do nothing. No steps can be taken before we agree that reality is real.
However, from there, I suggest you warm to the notion of “I don’t know”. You’ve somehow decided that reality is made of sine waves, but seemingly without any basis for such a belief. It’s clear that you some wild ideas about the nature of reality, and you may even believe them…but you didn’t give any evidence why that is the case. Have you measured these waves? Can they be detected? From where do they originate? Where do they terminate? How did they begin, how do they perpetuate? These should be a fairly simple questions for a phenomenon that you have sufficient evidence to believe.
As empty as the basis for waves was, your discussion of cosmic consciousness was even less clear. I don’t even understand what you believe, let alone why.
I’m open-minded, I happily heard you out, but at the end of the day it’s the same as every other pseudoscience woo belief. You’re, seemingly, so uncomfortable with not knowing the answers that you’re willing to make up answers. But you don’t have sufficient evidence to believe it, to accept it as true or likely true.
Ready? I’ll help you out. Why is there something rather than nothing? I don’t know. What came before the rapid expansion we call the big bang? I don’t know. If space and time came into existence at that moment, does before even make sense? I don’t know. Does material reality exist? I don’t know, but I think so because every bit of evidence I have indicates that it does, and I have no evidence to the contrary. Are the laws of logic absolutely inviolable? I don’t know for sure, but I think so, again all evidence points to yes, and to demonstrate they are not true, you’d likely have to use the laws of logic to disprove the laws of logic.
It’s been interesting, but also frustrating. Have a good day.
This is something you ask after attempting to prove your point a number of times, only to be met with resistance.
You haven’t even tried once, and are already accusing them of being closed minded.
Now, back to the discussion at hand - you have been asked to prove your point. Instead of asking what type of proof they would accept, why not let me ask you… what type of proof are you willing to provide?
There’s no need for such defensiveness. This is exactly the bullshit I’m talking about. It’s useless.
Your claims of closed-mindedness are the most blatant example of projection I’ve ever seen. You are already convinced you’re absolutely correct, and have to “teach” this to people, not that this is just your worldview that you’re sharing with people.
I don’t think it runs that deep. I think we’re just way more aware of these dickheads with the 24 hour news cycle and endless communication on the internet.
I think it runs so much deeper than even politics. Spiritual ignorance is a malignant mind virus. The genocide of Nazis is a symptom of spiritual corruption. I don’t suspect a conscious conspiracy as much as an approaching critical mass. This high energy state is unsustainable. Eventually there will be a short circuit that will ground this ignorance back into reality.
What is spiritual ignorance and spiritual corruption? They just sound like meaningless nonsense phrases meant to point to an ethereal, nebulous common link that you assume exists but can’t identify.
Spiritual ignorance is resistance to gnosis. Gnosis is the realization that consciousness is the basis of the universe, and every atrocity you commit in the name of ego is a wound upon your greater self. It’s why Jesus warned against wealth and earthly authority, and why those authorities murdered him and used his legend to perpetuate their own existence. You don’t even need to believe in spiritualism or Christianity to understand that the material world is only half the story. You go to sleep every night and exist in an entirely new world built upon your own consciousness. Your waking life is just the dream of a higher order of consciousness as well.
Your posts read like you ate a first year philosophy text book, and now you’re puking it up without any real grasp of what you’re saying.
Learn to master language before wielding it with such painful arrogance.
Your posts read like a dunning kruger club narcissistic abuser.
Learn to master basic consciousness before you attempt a conversation. Your projections are grotesque.
Case in point.
In your defence, I’m guessing English isn’t your first language.
Case in point.
You have no defense. You’re just spreading shit on the walls.
You seem very insecure.
If you had any idea what you just said, you’d realise it does not answer their question whatsoever.
You’re only talking about your lack of understanding of what I’m saying.
This is literally “I know you are but what am I” levels of reasoning.
If consciousness is the basis of the universe, I would ask you to demonstrate it.
Personally, the only consciousness I’m aware of comes from living, corporeal beings. Science’s best understanding tells me that the universe existed for 10 billion years before the Earth. And the Earth is the only place that I’m aware of consciousness existing. Therefore, in my understanding, consciousness could not possibly be the basis of the universe.
Everything you’ve said sounds like spiritual and religious woo. No thanks, I prefer reality.
I can’t open a closed mind. I would be glad to discuss the topic with you, but I’m not going to waste my time trying to fight you over it. So I’ll ask you, what would you accept as proof? If nothing can prove to you that consciousness is the basis of the universe, then there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.
I will believe anything that has sufficient evidence to believe it is true or likely true. I am skeptical of your claim, but not closed minded.
You believe that this is true, why do you believe it?
If I don’t have any reason to believe it, or in other words, I’ve seen no evidence that leads me to believe it is true, how could I tell you what would prove it? It just seems like you’re trying to shift the burden of proof to me, but you’re the one claiming it is true.
Asking what you’d accept as proof is a reasonable request. If you’re asking me to violate physics or introduce you to God, I can’t do that. I can provide some context that might expand your perspective, but if I waste my time sending you a sincere response only for you to dismiss it without consideration, that serves neither of us. We’re having this conversation because you requested it, and I’ll take it on good faith that you are curious and not just trying to win some imaginary argument.
Additionally, I’ll go ahead and concede that I can’t prove any of this any more than I can prove my own consciousness. I can only describe the landscape as I perceive it, and hope it connects some dots for you as well. First of all, reject any notion of a familiar religion unless you’re already versed in gnosticism and hermeticism. We’ll start with a universal language, mathematics. Since mathematics attempts to describe the universe objectively, it doesn’t have the same biases as religions and philosophies. What I’m going to try to describe is a reality that is an infinite fractal of consciousness.
We know we exist, at least I know I exist and I take it on good faith that I’m not the only conscious person. It seems reasonable that things which operate similarly and which come from the same source share attributes. Our material reality exists, at least in the same way that our individual perspectives exist. That reality seems consistent despite our perspective as individual observers. The evidence so far indicates that reality is a phenomenon that exists on a higher order than our individual consciousness. We know from our observations of reality, that infinities and paradoxes are disguised in every mundane object. The Dichotomy Paradox says you can split a candybar into infinite pieces by slicing each piece into half, but obviously that’s not the case. Everything in the universe is moving, but the illusion of stillness exists due to orders of magnitude. The vibration of an atom in a piece of Earth only differs from the vibration of a supernova by degrees of magnitude. But we’re in an infinite field that’s always expanding. What did it expand out of and what is it expanding into? I assert that it isn’t expanding into anything and it didn’t come from anywhere. It’s just a massive sine wave of a vibration so large in scale that it appears infinite. It’s vibrating into itself like a cavitation bubble in an infinite ocean. It supports in its infinite curve smaller infinite waves that represent fundamental forces in our universe. Dimensionality, gravity, the speed of light and more are all curves on this order. Where they intersect, they create interference patterns, ripples, standing waves in spacetime. These massive ripples result in universes, their ripples contain galaxies, those ripples contain solar systems. Any place the intersection of curves interacts to create smaller fractals there is a refinement in complexity. The matter we’re made of reflects these intersections all the way down to the lowest level. Subatomic particles are the same shape as the universe. The “goldilocks zone” for stars is just that place in the gravity well where the intersecting curves can refract into living organisms. In a biome as rich as the Earth’s thinking creatures can come into existence as long as the environment is just hostile enough to require predation and just abundant enough to allow for leisure. That’s the the whole spectrum. There’s the Light and it’s many emmenations, and there’s the darkness consuming everything that falls into it.
Even in your life, you have to maintain that Goldilocks balance to have a healthy body and mind; what the Buddhists call, “The Middle Path,” also known as the Eternal Tau. I’m going to get away from logic and venture into the unknown now. With my belief that consciousness is the basis for reality, I also believe it’s the true center of the universe, the inner eye, or God’s eye. I think that from “God’s” perspective reality is like a Panopticon. Where this central conscious gaze directs its attention, it experiences a reality. It forgets it was everything so that it can experience a small part of itself. Like that meme, “Could God microwave a burrito so hot even He couldn’t eat it?” The answer is yes, if He forgets he’s God. In this infinite field, every possible configuration of information exists, both sensical and nonsensical, ordered and chaotic. It’s all there to be experienced for eternity.
Your assertion violates physics, so that’s not a good start.
That’s… A very arrogant way to say “let me explain what I think”.
This also doesn’t set a good precedent.
Okay, sounds like an interesting idea.
Maybe pedantic, but it depends what you mean by “share”. We both share the trait of having skin, but not the same skin, for example.
So far, so good. Material reality exists before anything can perceive it.
What do you mean by “higher order”? This seems a random introduction of levels of reality, apropos of nothing. I can at least concede that our subjective experience of reality is separate and not necessarily representative of actual reality, but separating them into “orders” seems to imply transcendence of some kind.
There appears to be some conflation of concepts going on here, but it would be better if you were to explain this concept itself in depth before going on to develop further theories based on such a concept. With such a vaguely phrased statement, it’s hard to even know where to come at it.
The way I see it is, it is not impossible to complete an infinite number of tasks. It is merely impossible to list them. You unequivocally cannot get from A to B without getting halfway, and quarter, eighth, and so on. These infinite fractions are indeed reached, it’s just impossible to keep track of.
True but inconsequential. That’s just gravity and the remnants of the initial universal expansion.
Once again, true but inconsequential.
“Expanding out of” is a non-question. What does gas expand “out of” when it fills a room? Itself, if you really need an answer. As for “into”, that’s also a non-question. The universe is the totality of everything. IT makes no sense for there to be anything other than the universe. Therefore, the best description is simply “growth” - a growth of the universe.
That is at least vaguely consistent with reality, yes.
My question to this, and everything that flows from it is:
Why? Why do you say this? This is a massive logical leap, seemingly from nowhere. Why a sine wave? A sine wave of what? What makes you say there is a universal vibration that everything is apparently tuned to? Why not a square wave, or a sawtooth?
This is just pure imagination. It’d be great in a sci-fi book - genuinely, I’d love to read a sci-fi book based on an idea like this, go ahead and write it, I’ll read it - but I’m really not seeing the jumping off point for this, based on your explanations beforehand. It’s like, “A, therefore B, therefore Giraffe”. A non sequitur.
Such chaotic interference in the fundamental forces of the universe would be readily apparent, especially in gravity.
This is another huge leap in logic, from absolutely nowhere!
Ooookay, I guess that makes sense for worldbuilding.
Thaaaaat’s a bit of a stretch, since, with the existence of gravity, you can expect such shapes to naturally form regardless. There’s no meaning in the resemblance.
…No, it’s just the likely place for the right amount of heat to reach a planet…
Okay, another random fact thrown in to make the preceding bs sound plausible.
And… just abstract poetry to round it off.
I would like to mention that though you called this a mathematical theory, mathematics plays absolutely no role in your theory, other than mentioning sine waves, fractals and infinity - these concepts are not meaningfully explored except for their poetic and emotional weight.
That is a damn stretch and a half to compare the habitable zone of a star to a philosophical doctrine, but I’ll grant that it does have poetic relevance.
My buddy, you left logic behind long ago.
(Which you have not yet actually provided any reasoning for)
That’s an interesting thought, but I see no reason to believe it, since you have provided none.
It experiences reality the whole time, the gaze just changes which part of reality it is perceiving.
When was it everything - did you mention that at some point?
Did you establish that you have to remember reality for it to exist? I don’t think you did. You must have forgotten, and that’s why it doesn’t exist.
I’ve been thinking about this a bit more, and I’d like to add that you’re not totally mad, as I seem to imply. There is some logic in your claims individually, but little connecting them, and not much depth to them. Though, you seem to have stumbled upon ideas similar to Hegel, particularly the idea of quantitative change leading to qualitative change, as scattered and unrefined as the ideas are.
https://youtu.be/w85nGQ_KUgE?si=6L2hPnrKdNwhBEEo
I’d also like to ask - how does this theory of yours mean that Tate, Trump, Putin etc wil all be charged at the same exact time, or not at all?
Counterarguments to “cogito” have been made that remove the “I”, stating that you only know that thought is occurring, but not that you’re doing it. But I have no issue with cogito, but it is an obvious presupposition that others exist or reality exist. The problem of solipsism cannot be solved. But they are assumptions we all make, otherwise we can do nothing. No steps can be taken before we agree that reality is real.
However, from there, I suggest you warm to the notion of “I don’t know”. You’ve somehow decided that reality is made of sine waves, but seemingly without any basis for such a belief. It’s clear that you some wild ideas about the nature of reality, and you may even believe them…but you didn’t give any evidence why that is the case. Have you measured these waves? Can they be detected? From where do they originate? Where do they terminate? How did they begin, how do they perpetuate? These should be a fairly simple questions for a phenomenon that you have sufficient evidence to believe.
As empty as the basis for waves was, your discussion of cosmic consciousness was even less clear. I don’t even understand what you believe, let alone why.
I’m open-minded, I happily heard you out, but at the end of the day it’s the same as every other pseudoscience woo belief. You’re, seemingly, so uncomfortable with not knowing the answers that you’re willing to make up answers. But you don’t have sufficient evidence to believe it, to accept it as true or likely true.
Ready? I’ll help you out. Why is there something rather than nothing? I don’t know. What came before the rapid expansion we call the big bang? I don’t know. If space and time came into existence at that moment, does before even make sense? I don’t know. Does material reality exist? I don’t know, but I think so because every bit of evidence I have indicates that it does, and I have no evidence to the contrary. Are the laws of logic absolutely inviolable? I don’t know for sure, but I think so, again all evidence points to yes, and to demonstrate they are not true, you’d likely have to use the laws of logic to disprove the laws of logic.
It’s been interesting, but also frustrating. Have a good day.
This is something you ask after attempting to prove your point a number of times, only to be met with resistance.
You haven’t even tried once, and are already accusing them of being closed minded.
Now, back to the discussion at hand - you have been asked to prove your point. Instead of asking what type of proof they would accept, why not let me ask you… what type of proof are you willing to provide?
That’s just an idiotic authoritarian response. I can ask for clarification at any time in a conversation. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise?
There’s no need for such defensiveness. This is exactly the bullshit I’m talking about. It’s useless.
Your claims of closed-mindedness are the most blatant example of projection I’ve ever seen. You are already convinced you’re absolutely correct, and have to “teach” this to people, not that this is just your worldview that you’re sharing with people.
I’ve only heard morons use the term “mind virus”.
I’ve only heard morons use abusive language and believe they’re winning a conversation.
You can not “win” a conversation, the word you are looking for is “argument” or maybe “debate”.
I’m having a conversation, friendo is having a debate. That’s where the stupidity lies.