• NutWrench@lemmy.ml
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    The IAF blew up 400 men, women and children and today Netanyahu said, “this is only the beginning.”

    You can get deported from the US now for pointing that out.

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    Israel killing civilians at random probably isn’t going to help bring the average Palestinian to their side against Hamas. If they were being nice to the civilians they might actually be willing to help you.

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    If Israel and Russia can get away with it, then too the USA, and this is the ultimate goal: taking back the world to the days of “territorial conquests”.

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    Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.

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      This is a fact I try to bring up often… It’s a truly disturbing piece of information

      Also, they’re struggling to survive without enough supplies, they’re being cut off from the Internet and power in part so they can’t get their message to the world, and they couldn’t kick out Hamas if they wanted to - they have no organization or individual power to actually do that

      So it’s worth considering…who is this message for?

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    If you don’t know the legal definition of genocide or have enough information to make those logical arguments because of all the conflicting opinions from the media which are just there to confuse you—doesn’t it just feel wrong?

    Folks here already pointed out the pure logical explanation why this is genocide very skillfully. Thanks for those comments.

    Logically and in my gut this is wrong.

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      “Feels” is when you suspicious about something but you cannot tell why. This is objectively wrong because its state a genocidal intent as described by Law.

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        Very good point! I think I was trying to be too mysterious to get people thinking because not a a lot people can view it logically like you do which I appreciate it. Well done.

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      Because it’s a genocide extension that’s about to happen.

      His message is a clear declaration to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

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      Because it is. Israel is a force of evil that won’t stop until it is stopped. It won’t stop in the middle east…same as Russia, USA, and the unspeakable.

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    Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?

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      Well, with the way things are going, it won’t be read in the U.S.A. It’ll be banned.

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      It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.

      When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.

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      Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it

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      Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.

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        It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company

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          It’s probably not them. I didn’t see anything about Gaza genocide in the impact studies section.

          /s

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      The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.

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        Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.

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        Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.

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          I meant normal in wartime. It wasn’t just a slaughter like Israel is doing. People could still have jobs and do stuff.

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            Indeed. If with doing jobs you mean the forced labor camps that healthy men were forced into. I mean, you just don’t help the cause by downplaying the bad experiences of other countries.

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        As a new biography Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, excerpted exclusively in this week’s PEOPLE, reveals, it was her experiences during Germany’s five-year occupation of Holland during World War II that truly shaped her.

        While more has come out in recent years about her war experience, Robert Matzen’s book reveals harrowing new details about how a young Hepburn battled severe malnutrition, particularly during what was known as the “Hunger Winter” of 1944-45.

        Leading up to that brutally cold winter, as Germany tightened its grip on Holland, Hepburn and her family were often forced to live in the cellar for days and weeks at a time due to bombing overhead. And food became more and more scarce.

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        “the muslims” Okay now let’s see what it would looks like if I change this word by an other one starting with a J.

        Wait…?! Why I’m getting Déjà vu…ಠ_ಠ

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      Trump is continuing democrat policy on Gaza, so yes, just another obvious proof that they are two sides of the same coin.

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        We show up in every Palestine post because we got constant verbal abuse from you people throughout the election cycle because we wanted to avoid the thing you just posted

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            I like how you saw me refer to “the thing you just posted,” which is about a genocide that Trump is helping to perpetrate, and you still can’t let go of the idea that this is all Genocide Joe’s fault

            And no, I don’t condone it. I just understand that the lesser of two evils is, in fact, preferable to the greater.

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              As a non american it disgust me how you make it about american politics. Genocide was happening before trump was in office, no amount of virtue signalling will change that. But go on keep thinking the whole world revolve around what happens in your shithole.

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                Do you not know that the thread you’re currently commenting in is specifically about an American president?

                This would mean that as a topic, American politics would be right within the wheelhouse of the discussion. And for the record, the conflict in Palestine was going on for decades before you ever knew wheee it was on a map.

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                  My point being that no matter who is the American president this genocide is happening. So quit bringing the discussion to you. And for the record it was going on for decades before i was even born, but i still don’t see how that would make it relevant to make it about americans and whoever is running their country.

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        Since you are changing the goal post I will bring it back to the original intent.

        You are a hypocrite that spews tankie ampliganda - Genocide Joe. You have used the suffering of Gaza for a political agenda.

        Fascist play with empathy, change goal posts, and gaslight.

        You are one.

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        And you show up in every political post saying dumb shit like “genocide Joe.”

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        Ooooh! I supposed that makes this timeline SO much better than how things would be under Kamala.

        Thanks for the perspective, bud!

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          You have no moral leg to stand on. Barely any noticeable difference between you and Trump/MAGA in how you view Palestinians as subhuman.

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          In the Kamala timeline, Israel keeps genociding the Palestinians while the democrats try to do a lot of mental gymnastics to try to paint it as a good thing

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            Bro trumps team literally made a shitty AI generated “we’re going to raze Gaza and build a gold plated hotel here” commercial. If that’s not “mental gymnastics to paint genocide as a good thing” idk what to say to you.

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              Also a bad thing.

              Not sure why the moment you criticize democrats they assume you support the other side

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            Soooo…. Is it that you only give a shit about Palestinians? Fuck all the other people trump is going to hurt, right?

            Because it’s SO fucking easy to focus in on one single issue to base your entire personality and political ideology on. But man…. It sucks major ass when you zoom out just a bit and see ALL the other people being hurt by the arrogant and entitled decisions made by people who don’t have a fucking clue how the real world works.

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              This is something we should keep in mind. Sure, it’s a bit sad that more than 50,000 Palestinians have been killed and Netenyahu says Tuesdays attacks that killed hundreds of women and children is “only the beginning”…

              But lets also think about the fact that eggs, gas and lumber prices have gone way up, and that those 9 trans college athletes in America cant play sports. Really puts it into perspective. I mean, who’s the real victim here?

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              And this is why democrats lost and will keep losing.

              They can’t be criticized or get called out for supporting a genocide.

              It is the bare minimum. They can’t even do that. They want unconditional support and loyalty, but won’t put any effort into accomplishing anything.

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              libs are fine with all imperialist wars and genocide as long as it doesn’t affect them, we know

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                  The context is your own selfish reasons and total lack of solidarity for anything outside of what affects you, even when they enable and support the most horrific acts of this century.

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      Genocide Joe has already done 80% of the work.
      And there is zero reason to believe he would do anything to stop what they are doing now.
      He would blabber some words about having to watch out for civilian deaths while sending them more arms.
      His actions are 100% the same except he’s a hypocrite about it.

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          All these things you mention are just empty words.
          Like Genocide Joe or copmala’s emty words.
          What matters is actions and facts.
          And the complete support for genocide is a fact.
          So there is no difference, except as I said before, the dems being absolute hypocrites about it.

          Because of Shit happening in a country you probably didn’t give a shit about a year and a half ago

          You don’t know shit about me, so drop your BS claims out of vile hate and frustation from losing, which you people invariably project at true leftists, more than Trump bcs you’re all so mad some people have an actual consciense and humanity and couldn’t bare to be complicit by voting for either of the genocide factions.

          Besides, you’re having a clear case of the projections. Look at all the libs suddenly caring about evil orange man who is doing nothing different.
          Anyway, enough of this, you people will never learn anyway.
          A waste of time.

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      centrists are just happy that at no point did they have to reconsider their loving support for genocide.

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            …. Says the guy that somehow seems to think we’re better off with Trump than with Kamala.

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              We’re not better off under trump. I voted for harris.

              I get that you imagine all opposition to the genocide that gives your life meaning must come from trumpists, but some people actually find genocide support to be repulsive.

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                Wait, you voted for Harris?

                That’s right! You also support genocide! I forgot about that. Because all who support Harris are genocide supporters! I remember you saying that.

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                  You can vote for harris without approving of her genocide support. I mean, you didn’t. You support genocide under all circumstances.

                  You can also oppose genocide without being a trumper, which you also can’t seem to grasp.

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      Israel government and israel people are two different things. Just like in any other country the majority of people are good and get brainwashed by the government.

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      The entire country is sick. The ones in power need to be held accountable and the population as a whole needs a “Denazification”. Something that will require generations of reeducation to undue the fascist ethnostate that has indoctrinated children from birth.

      Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well. One of the most antisemitic things being done today is when Israel commits genocide and pretends it is doing it for Jews. It is disgusting.

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        population as a whole needs a “Denazification”.

        This doesn’t really sound like a good preamble. How many people from israel do you know? Have you been there? I hope you are not assuming they are all evil because they are ruled by psychopaths like any other country in the world

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        Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well.

        It’s extremely disturbing how common it is to weaponize allegations of “antisemitism” against criticisms of Zionism. I would say it’s antisemitic to assume that all Jewish people support the actions of the state of Israel, but strangely, the ADL doesn’t seem to agrees.

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        Religion needs to be banned…globally. Humans must never again be allowed to be infected by memetic viruses, by ideas that are not scientifically supported.

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          I’m gonna give the unpopular take online and say that religion is not the source. Religion is only a tool that is often used negatively within class struggle. The source of Israel today is so much more ingrained in white supremacy, colonialism, and class conflict that I just can’t say that “banning” religion would be at all helpful.

          The religion and hope of the Palestine people is a core part of their resistance and their struggle. And while I’ll always be against fundamentalist interpretation of religion in the hands of the ruling class; I just think a focus on religion as being the ultimate problem is incorrect and unhelpful.

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          I don’t think banning is a good answer. My own preferred solution is mandatory religious education. Once you learn about all of the religions of the world the idea that any of them could possibly be correct about either the nature of reality or deciding what is right becomes clearly absurd.

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            Or you know, you realize the source of your beliefs is incomgruent, and you don’t really know what you believe in.

            You are supposed to have a clear set of guiding principles from a given all-knowing God, otherwise he is just cruel, and not worth worshipping.

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              A set of guiding principles from and all-knowing God is not what religion is. Maybe it’s what Abrahamic religions are, but there were religions before them and other religions even today.

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        At some point you are just going to have to be “antisemetic.” There needs to be a cultural shift around the world for allowing the criticism of jews before you can criticize Israel.

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          Allowing Zionist to redefine the word and just “becoming anti semitic” is a really bad take. Maybe I’m missing the intent of your comment. I’ll be good faith and assume you just wrote this badly.

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            By pure numbers it is mostly compromised of evangelical Christians. There are significantly more evangelical Christians that are Zionist than there are Jews.