Do you know which country we do know that has committed crimes against humanity yet they were not punished for it? The US. And the whole of Europe. The rape of America is not that far back in time you know, we are still living its consequences, some reparations would be welcome, I don’t understand why Anglophones and Westerners think it’s too late to pay back or some shit. Own and fix your shit, then you can do stuff about other nations.
There are Indigenous people literally alive today that lived through the genocide.
I mean, Belice and French Guyana, Hawai’i and Puerto Rico are still colonies, but it is all right because they are democracies.
All of North and South America are still colonies.
Not to mention that the Navy just poisoned Hawaii’s drinking water causing a significant rise in illness. That was a story that came and went, if the people obsessed with China even bothered to read about it at all. The treatment of Puerto Rico after it was destroyed by the Hurricane was beyond a humanitarian crisis. Imagine striping a people of the ability to protect themselves from the environment and then completely abandoning them. The only thing people faintly remember about that is Trump tossing toilet paper to refuges as if he was at a ballgame.
We have no power over what China does or doesn’t do, nor should we; but we have plenty of control over Jackson, Mississippi having no access to potable water.
Willfully abandoning your own people to die is genocide. Where is the UN?
Lmao “may have” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
I read parts of the report, and there has been counters to all the evidence they’ve gathered. Much of them on right here Lemmy!
Just a sample:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fa3gt6y50WrdRFNdAGHk_fubyfBLygvc/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iBDPmTm-ZSBnhN6d3-_eUoCOHUiSdZyE/view
https://lemmy.ml/post/70189 (see comments)
https://lemmy.ml/post/282145 (see comments)
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=67pU0Ybovnc
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YAj89rm-GkM
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wENwvxsfVM8
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8yURIS7S9zg
BTW, yes. I do actually read Western reports condemning China, and most other Western geopolitical reporting. Whereas in my real experiencing debating right here on Lemmy, plenty of libs wouldn’t even consider reading “tankie” resources defending China. If the latter applies to you, you might want to consider if you actually care about the truth or not or if you just love to hate certain countries.
Love the bouquet of weasel words and qualifiers. “May have”, “indications”, “allegations”, “may constitute”
I think there should be a general rule of thumb that when a Western news article uses this many qualifiers, it’s probably bullshit and they’re trying to cover their ass when it inevitably gets called out for being bullshit.
a Western news article
This isn’t that though. It’s a UN report that’s the result of an investigation by Michelle Bachelet (former president of Chile and head of the Socialist Party of Chile). The only reason you’re seeing articles saying “may have” instead of making up some N+1 million figure (N being the last time they pulled a random number out their ass) is because that’s the language the report uses
The report is linked in the second paragraph:
Wasn’t the UN also involved the the OPCW scandal not too long ago? Didn’t the UN spend half a century pretending Taiwan was China? Wasn’t it the UN who, along with the US, invaded and murdered a fifth of the Korean population, leaving not a building standing in the northern country in their wake? Not necessarily as neutral as you’d consider it.
Beyond the point, the UN had just recently sent a representative who came back saying quite the opposite. The report that happened just a month ago, I think, came back saying there was no evidence of anything. What happened in such a short amount of time for the UN to completely change its story. If the UN is so certain, and this isn’t another WMD’s or incubator babies in Kuwait moment, why aren’t they more willing to use less qualifiers in their speech?
Many of the people in opposition have no reason to like China or any of the other countries. We’re tired of our own countries bullshit. We don’t have an interest in eating any more of it.
I never said anything about the UN’s credibility. You are attacking it but then you also go and cite a UN report that you failed to even link to… I would love a link if you have it. Regardless I think the report is worth reading. They specifically explain how all the evidence was gathered and some of it is stuff you could even check for yourself
I definitely would never purposely imply that the UN is “neutral”. It’s a collection of large and complex institutions, sometimes fighting against each other. The previous president of the World Bank for example, Jim Yong Kim, spent the 90s protesting about the fact that the World Bank and the IMF were the US’s tools to financially enslave the Third World. Attributing something to “the UN” is meaningless. That’s why I specifically pointed out the background of the report, who did it, etc
Btw I think you should reread my comment. I think there was some misunderstandings. I’m pretty clearly critical of the media narratives around it. You’re kinda going off for no reason
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If China has nothing to hide and all this is just Western propaganda, they should accept an official investigation and access to any facilities that have been proven to exist, right?
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Would the US or EU let China just walk in and rifle through the country(ies)? No? Why is that? I thought if they had nothing to hide they should be open to that!
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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3003217/eu-rejects-chinas-offer-xinjiang-tour-says-its-open-one-later If the EU really thinks a human rights violation is being committed, they’re not taking it seriously. What are they, too busy or something?
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https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china Wait so Western orgs do go there?
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/422970-pakistani-diplomat-narrates-visit-to-chinas-xinjiang Pakistan too! And they saw the actual reeducation camps!
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You’re real naïve if you think the UN is actually neutral and not a sock puppet of the West. Take a look how disproportionately they let atrocities committed by the West and their allies slide and how much they antagonize countries the West hates. Actually, just look at fucking Israel and Saudi Arabia and how well they’re treated by them. Now look at Iran or Cuba. Notice a pattern?
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Why the hell would they? They have no obligation to prove the rest of the world right or wrong of their doings.
Are you equally surprised the USA gov isn’t letting other nations to come inspect all the south American refugees they have locked in cages? Not to mention allegations of sterilization and torture in these prisons.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914465793/ice-a-whistleblower-and-forced-sterilization
Not to mention the USA and Canada have genocided and brainwashed the natives of north america and have yet to provide any meaningful reputations to them. Even worse they continue to oppress these minority groups, which only happen to be minorities because they’ve killed off the majority of them.
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Hell yeah! Now tell the US to open their borders to a joint Chinese-Russian-Iranian-DPRK investigation unit! They better get to take a microscope to the Pentagon and the White House and generally do whatever the hell they want with all the human rights allegations on the US!
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The US doesn’t listen to the UN or the ICC either. Hmm…
Do you really believe the UN is a neutral organization? The US and few Western countries, with less than 10% of the world population, take up over 80% of OHCHR posts. Also, wasn’t the UN an active participant in the Korean War on the side of empire not so very long ago?
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Great analysis of the western media coverage of the report as well as what the report actually says.
