you really can’t win talking to a liberal. Anything you have to say that would persuade them to take a more nuanced stance on an issue, media’s already rotted their brain on.

Wanting them to understand that backing the Ukraine government is the worst of the three possible options? They’ll call it Russian propaganda, and potentially also imply that you’re a Russian agent. (real cold war shit)

Wanting them to understand that China is objectively better than the US in almost every way, and that the media has a habit of making stuff up about the country and the government? They’ll go on about Tiananmen square, the Uyghur camps, and “social credits”, and likely say racist shit casually.

Wanting them to understand that North Korea is a much freer nation than they assume, that’s arguably better than South Korea? They start shouting about government-mandated haircuts, torture of civilians, wild dogs eating people, etc.

in 2016 I corrected some liberals on reddit about North Korea’s nuclear capabilities. It was literally just provable technical data, with a lil “and that’s why y’all should be calm” thrown in. They called me a “Russian bot”, a “Trumpie”, and a “Republican troll” because I shattered their fearmongering.

There is literally no winning with them. Nothing you can say matters. And over it all, the smugness and “better than you” attitude makes the argument twice as grating.

If my options were between arguing with fascists / far-righters or liberals, I’d pick the fashies any day. At least their beliefs are rigid and calculatable. They’re not going to fold in on themselves in a month and start arguing opposite of what they were, they’re not going to suddenly change all of their stances depending on the topic at hand. Liberals will tell you genocide is bad when China is supposedly doing it, but when a white nation is doing it suddenly it’s okay. They’ll say locking children in cages is evil when it’s under Trump, but don’t say a word about it under Obama and defend it under Biden.