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    1 year ago

    wait, aren’t you doing the same thing, considering the Jewish power party were a bunch of anti-arab terrorists before they got voted into office?

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      1 year ago

      I’m not supporting the Israeli government, I’m supporting Israelis right to live in Peace. Prior to last week, I was one of that governments vocal critics. Now, like so many around the world, we can see the existential threat against the people of that country and I fully support the elimination of Hamas.

      Once that’s done, and while it’s happening I can still champion the exiting of the West Bank and the promotion of a two state solution.

      Hamas needs to be removed for Palestinians to have Peace. Their purpose as clearly laid out in their founding Charter is the destruction of the Jewish people, which means the destruction of the state of Israel which makes it pretty difficult to get a Peace deal in place.

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        so it’s fine for apartheid Israel to run an open air prison and support Hamas to weaken the PA’s push towards a 2-state solution for YEARS, but the second it backfires and there are Israeli deaths, then you need to take sides because suddenly the side with power actually experienced the reality of the ethnic conflict they have been pushing

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          The wall was installed after the last round of terrorism, cutting it by 90+%.

          Hamas is responsible for the isolation. They go, the isolation can be lifted.

          Israel has the right to defend itself, how they do that I can question. Now that their enemies have started a war, I’m adjusting my attitude to suit.

          Really easy way to save Palestinian lives? Hand over the hostages.

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            do you really think that handing over the hostages will not have the IDF kill a fuck ton of Palestinians?

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              Yes. History shows us that they will continue to bomb until they get their people back.

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                nah, history shows that they will keep bombing Gaza until the imaginary blood price has been paid.

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                  You clearly don’t understand the history of the region. Israel has given back the Golan to the Lebanese, the Sinai to the Egyptians and Gaza to the Palestinians.

                  If you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone. If you fuck with them, they’ve shown they will grind your bones into dust indistinguishable from the rubble of the buildings you’re hiding your missiles in.

                  That’s what history tells us. Hamas is about to get a history lesson.

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                    your not very good with history are you?

                    Golan, considered Syrian under Israeli occupation by everyone but the USA (and that only during trumps presidency)

                    Sinai, forced peaceful withdrawal by American and Various European nations to open up the Suez

                    Gaza, an open air concentration camp