• chuckleslord@lemmy.world
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    “Centrists to fascists aren’t centrists”

    “You just label anyone as Fascist”

    “There’s a huge amount of fascists right now”

    “Irrelevant!”

    … what? I’m sorry, I can’t tell if you’re making a point or if you’re just reacting to comments as they come in. Cause that response made no sense in the greater context. I can’t even tell what point you’re trying to make at this point.

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      Then let me spell it out for you.

      We, as leftists, tend to ignore authoritarians that attach themselves to our movement. I’m talking Marxists, Maoists, etc. These are people who aplogize for mass murderers. When they show up to rallies, they are welcomed. Democrat leaders cozy up to them. I see it happen regularly.

      We then turn around and accuse the right of courting facism. This is the right thing to do, but we also need to take a look in our own camp. I don’t want authoritarians of any flavor.

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        I’m at a dead loss as to how your previous two comments relate to this at all. Maybe it’s my neurospiciness showing, but I can’t connect this thesis with your previous comments in any way.

        Also, don’t say “let me spell it out for you”, it just comes across as condescending. It’s like you’re saying it’s so obvious that this was the point you were making when I just stated my confusion on your point. My confusion is an opportunity for you to clarify, not be a dick about it.

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          Apparently their argument is that left-wingers in general love tankies, which in my experience isn’t true at all.

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          Well it’s probably my own spiciness showing. I was trying to wrap too many arguments in too few comments. I tried to stave off some of the more common arguments that distract from the topic at hand by making some logical leaps. I thought it would be obvious, but I was wrong. I might have also rolled several replies into one.

          The important part is this: the idea that centrists can’t exist because the other side consists of “Nazis” is flawed. The entire spectrum of right leaning and conservative voters are not facists. In fact, most despise them as much as anyone else. The same goes for centrists, from what I have seen.

          As to your question, yes I realize that facists are being entertained the world over. I can see what Israel and Russia are doing, and I know it much more widespread than that. I just don’t think the right move is to simply alienate anyone who isn’t already on your side and wait for the fash to take over.

          And thanks for not returning my dickish energy, I was heated if you couldn’t tell.

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        According to this comment, YOU should be downvoting yourself for your previous two comments.

        You straight out suggested we should be diplomatic with the Far Right.

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        We, as leftists, tend to ignore authoritarians that attach themselves to our movement. I’m talking Marxists,

        Oh. Now I see why you are downvoted to Putin’s bunker.

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          Is that the reason? It seems more like they’re being aggressive and not explaining their positions is the reason they’re downvoted.