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      What do you plan to do to make sure they grow up as communists? For me, asides from personal reasons why I think I shouldn’t have children, my main concern would be them growing up into a reactionaries because of how this place is so pervaded by reactionary thought… So I’m wondering what you wold do to address that.

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        I plan on using the belt… and road initiative! No I work in early childhood education so I plan on teaching them good social skills, principles of fairness and justice, and generally hiding the communist veggies in the mac and cheese so to speak, educating them about the problems our world faces, etc so they’re ready for theory and complex concepts when they get older.

        Or I might get them to just memorize theory like the bible idk

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          little Budigeges

          You can’t control kids, but you can teach them how to think for themselves and seek their own best interest. If they can think and not be dogmatic, as proletariat, they’ll push the interest of the proletariat.

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            Especially if they learn about very very basic DialMat as kids, understanding that we live in a scientific world with finite resources and that things go thru patterns of change and things are interconnected. Sounds complex to explain to kids, but it makes sense fundamentally and it shouldn’t be too terribly difficult to understand.

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    I do. My partner and I have come to the conclusion that it’s not an entirely rational decision. It’s just something we feel is right for us.

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    if people weren’t aware, raising children is used as a political strategy of fascism historically and presently. look up the “quiver full movement”

    whereas on the left there are tons of people that refuse to have children, maybe because it’s a hell world especially for intentionally marginalized folks (who are of course disproportionately leftists). or maybe they are associating overconsumption and overpopulation propaganda with their individual choices. or maybe they hate the institution of marriage and family and it’s state construction too much. idk

    but then, there are literally people who hate children?? and they’re moreso on the left. okay good luck with hating a defenseless and innocent little being i’m sure that’ll bring more unity to our struggle

    point is, the right has a concerted strategy on social reproduction. the left does not, and even sabotages it. the working class is alienated from their own determination of social reproduction. this is a key material concern that has divided along class lines through raw numbers.

    I feel as leftists we need to be much more accommodating to familial struggle. I don’t feel stable to have family either, so to me helping create power to benefit working families is a crucial tactic, regardless if I ever have one myself. we need to be in control of our social reproduction because it’s literally an act of survival, and the people who want to end us know that as well.

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      We can build a world so our children don’t have to suffer what we have. It is also good to plant trees that you might not ever be able to live to experience the shade of (literally and figuratively).

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      White pride vs. white guilt. That’s the tldr of all modern discourse within Western “civilization”.

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    If the world somehow starts to solve issues like climate change and the government stops being ran by fascists and neoliberals, I’ll consider it. As of now though bringing children into this world is an incredibly selfish choice as that child’s quality of life will be abysmal. Probably even worse than mine. I’m not bringing a kid into this world just to suffer in the climate crisis or be swept up in a BS war, or just to be poor and homeless, fuck that. Plus kids are expensive so even if I was fine with inflicting all of that suffering on it I simply cannot afford it.

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    Are we counting pets? ;) Otherwise, not very likely unless adoption becomes much, much more affordable, and less needlessly problematic for queer parents.

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    Hell no, give a fuck if I’m the oldest of my family. Fuck my bloodline, fuck my state; I’m not giving them more chattel.

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    No, but im 14 so that could change. My parents talk about how they’ve been able to provide better for me than my grandparents or great-grandparents could (y’know ‘merican dream), and I’d feel weird giving my offspring worse, which is likely with how the world—especially the imperial core— is going. Raising a child seems annoying and energy intensive, and I’m sure there’re positive sides, but I don’t think they outweigh the negative.

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    Already got. Cute as all hell, but holy moly do I miss sleep. Due to costs we’re only having the one at this stage. There isn’t really any such thing as “ideal conditions” for a child. As long as you love them, nurture them, and spend quality time with them, then you’re an absolute legend of a parent. Plenty of rich people fail as parents, and plenty of struggling proletarians are amazingly successful parents. I didn’t have exactly ideal conditions growing up, but I can use that as a lesson in my own parenting and how to interact with and support my own child

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      undefined> parents, and plenty of struggling

      that’s my biggest thing… why just have fascists and rich people having children? the idea that having children is inherently selfish is just not true. a lot of people just understand having children as a stage of life they want to reach. which yes, we should tell people they can live a fulfilling life without having their own children, but there’s gonna be children and keep being children and we have to reach them and their parents too.

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    Sorta related topic to those with fear of raising kids in a dangerous world, when was the world safe to have kids?

    Now it’s wild to think about not too long ago, parents would go in with the mindset not all of their children would make it and that was completely normal. Thankfully now (or for now) our kids won’t loose their legs from a disease like polio or a factory accident, so we don’t need to worry about them being in harms way. I think what is happening currently, is the younger generations are at a time where living conditions are starting to go down in the core and that completely shatters our vision of what our kids future would look like.

    While a dangerous world won’t stop us from having kids, it’ll take a bit for gen z to get used to the prospect of a dangerous future and especially as we mature into adulthood and away from being terminally online. Also the nuclear family isn’t as embedded in heads as time progresses so it’s hard to say what “families” would look like.

    If you feel like you shouldn’t have kids then don’t have kids, its understandable. But don’t be those people who judge others for having children in a dangerous world, cause you and I wouldn’t be here if that was the end all be all decision for humanity.