This doesn’t make any sense to me. I know they aren’t Marxists, but the goals of communism are people-centric. We’re trying to achieve a better society for all people, so why exclude certain groups from that?
This doesn’t make any sense to me. I know they aren’t Marxists, but the goals of communism are people-centric. We’re trying to achieve a better society for all people, so why exclude certain groups from that?
I am curious what ultras you are specifically talking about.
I agree with the other commentors regarding the nature of ultraleftism, but I am a bit confused. Is “Ultras” being used in a different manner here?
When I was considering myself a “Maoist”, the circles I was active in were often very LGBT+ inclusive (to a fault, at times - by this I mean taking ultraleftist lines on the LGBT+ question of liberation a la plastering arcane propaganda on building walls like “Death to Truscum”, a term mostly only known by the chronically online). Same with anarchists. Which ultras in particular are this LGBTphobic? I’m not trying to defend ultras here, but I have interacted with just as many, if not more, bigoted “Marxist-Leninists” as ultras.
Please excuse my ignorance, but I am confused who is to consider as ultra. In my country, sometimes some socdems are considered as far left 🤣🤦🏻♂️I suppose in US it is the same, according to Fux news, Bernie and Kamala are ultras 🤦🏻♂️
Conservatists can’t even make a difference between anarchist and succdem, not to mention between trot and maoist*, for them, everyone left of Reagan is “far left”.
*To be honest lately i also have that problem somewhat, it’s hard when so many of them are COINTELPRO centrist and support nazis all the time.
hahaha I feel you hard on your second paragraph, I feel like there should be a drinking game where comrades read shitty “communist” articles and try to decipher the ideological bent of the authors, maybe called “Maoist, Trotskyist, Anarchist?”
USwCC - Utopian Socialism with CIA Characteristics.
I usually think of ultra-leftists as people who are at least somewhat idealist and consider themselves to the left of ML (the type who call us revisionist or authoritarian). The ideologies I’d consider Ultras most of the time are Trotskyist who are idealist in that they think we can have world revolution in one go, and anything less isn’t internationalist enough, Leftcoms who look for the ideal revolution where everything was pure and Marxist, Maoists who are sectarian and look for perfect ideologically revolutions as opposed to what actually works and has a positive impact, and anarchists whose whole ideology is based on a blanket opposition to doing anything because other people tell them to, and think that organizations are too authoritarian, so we just need a spontaneous revolt that will magically get rid of all governments and everything will be fine.
Thank you. While I can understand some idealists (even if their theories fail since the world is not an ideal place), I totally do not get anarchists. How we can build big things, like intercontinental railway, or big water or nuclear power plants, if there will be no government? If everyone would live in small decentralized communes? I did not considered them to the left to ML, just rather closer to libs. But I am not so politically mature.
I don’t consider them to the left of us either. I can respect an anarchist who is willing to work with us, but most are just radical liberals. They see us to the “right” of them because they think “authoritarianism” is a right wing characteristic. Like the right libertarians whose political spectrum is lib to auth rather than left to right.
I see. I think they do not want to acknowledge that liberalism and “freedom of speech” sooner or later may lead to fascism. As once did.