My experience with the Fediverse has only been through Mastodon, through which I struggled to find a community I really gelled with. Either it was supper overwhelming with meme posts or NSFW, or it was too chill to the point of nothing. Or, it was hyperfocused like FOSS/Linux and became uninteresting after awhile. May try again, but I think I will explore the other fedisites like Plemora or Calckey to see if I like it better.
I love the pace of a forum. I grew up primarily with GameFAQS and some lucid dreaming forum, and honestly it was very formative in teaching me how to write and use critical thinking skills, as well as how to respond to a variety of temperaments. I stopped participating in online forums awhile ago, and while I loved Reddit as a resource, I never felt inspired to participate. In the same way, there are an incredible number of forums dedicated to a certain topic, and are extremely valuable, it would be annoying to make an account for all the things I am interested in.
I like what lemmy is becoming. Glad to find system that makes interacting with people enjoyable.
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Yeah same here, Reddit is my mindless scrolling app of choice, not Twitter, so when I tried to use Mastodon I just kinda stood there not knowing what to do
I love being able to read and immerse myself is specific communities and whatnot, and specifically I love Reddit for the discourse, people posting in a community, replying to posts, and replaying to those replies, and so on
So Lemmy has just become my jam, so happy that Reddit has an open source federated alternative now, even if they reverse their API debacle I’m still gonna keep using this app
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I never understood why people were so into Twitter, from my perspective it’s like a new media version of press releases - big name people harp about whatever they harp about and I read about it elsewhere if it’s relevant to me.
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It is not (just) for narcissism: it can fill a niche similar to RSS. When I was using Twitter, 90% of the posts I read were from companies or projects announcing news and updates. It also had a built in comments, so you have a single, shared discussion/q&a space in the same app.
Obviously, the biggest advantage it has over RSS (and Mastodon, so far) is critical mass. More creators have Twitter accounts than RSS feeds and for those that have both, the Twitter account is always more active.
And for me at least, Twitter is almost exclusively read-only for me. There are some people that tweet stuff that I like to keep up with, but trying to engage there is super toxic. Reddit/lemmy is way better for actually talking about stuff with people. There is toxicity but it’s easier to ignore/downvote than Twitter, somehow.
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That’s a great way of looking at it! (First post ever)
Seriousl though, waking up I looked at Reddit, going to sleep I looked at Reddit. All day Reddit, and too often the same crap repeated but I was not willing to risk sorting by new, just hot, best of, or rising.
I use Inoreader to put in the Top Day or Top Week RSS feeds of various subreddits. (Just found out I can do the same here on Lemmy.) It helps keep my usage from getting addictive like I’m trying to squeeze blood from a rock, and it keeps me from seeing the same posts over and over again. I see all the important stuff. Once. When the feed runs out, it runs out. I really enjoy it.
Neato! That is probably a lot healthier than checking in every 30 minutes looking to see if something changed.
I will try it. Thank you!
I never really liked Twitter as a concept. It feels like it’s built on an “old man yells at cloud” concept where people just shout their thoughts and nobody gains anything from it.
By comparison forums are there to foster discussions and communities. I thought Mastodon would be better but I spent 5 minutes and it’s exactly the same nonsense.
Same, same. If I follow 3 high-volume posters on mastodon or twitter, there goes my entire day.
I prefer to follow topics / communities, not people / celebrities.
the upvotes/downvotes also filter out a lot of noise, mastodon doesn’t have that
Thats my feel as well. The whole idea of small text blurbs that arent conversational and not grouped by topic never really worked for me. It also just feels too personality driven, where large accounts are what gets major precedence - I prefer when a small account or whatever can make a great post that gets a lot of attention.
I can already tell the Lemmy is going to fit me a lot better than Mastodon, even tho I did enjoy that for a few months
Yes! I remember A LOOONG time ago when Twitter was just beginning, and the articles about it were very confused about how to use it. It was described like a kind of social telepathy, where the sharing of thoughts brought about a quick intimacy with strangers. Now it is just a playground for corporations and narcissists. Well, I suppose it was always like that.
Yes, I installed it, I was like “…why I’m there again?” and desinstalled it 5 minutes after. It will become like Twitter, with only “hottakes” to bring attention
at some point in the past I created an account on twitter but it seemed pointless to me. Then it got bigger and was always getting mentioned/quoted and I gave it another shot thinking maybe I was just doing it wrong. Nope, still sucked.
That said, I do have a mastodon account, but I don’t like a lot of things about it. When I’m looking at my timeline, I never know if something is a top level post or a reply to someone else unless I click on it.
Yeah, when I was on Twitter, it just suck the joy out of me. Everyone want to be popular, and will do shitty dramas. It was always negative things, or people showing how beautiful they are. Let me tell you that for a young trans woman still in the closet, seeing girls showing how beautiful they are just to make jealous others (they explecitly said it was their intention) was very hurtful. My gf saw me going very sorrow about life and she told to to get the fuck out of this garbage. I did, and i’m very more happy
Hell yeah! You got a great person on your side. I hope you never have to experience that shit again.
I feel like Twitter is just one of those sites where it’s best consumed filtered through other people posting the good bits elsewhere
Ironically Reddit was the best place to look at Twitter posts.
I wonder is Lemmy will get meme style discussions about Mastodon posts?
Yeah, and I don’t like Twitter threads with their character limit and using multiple post to make 1 message. It looks stupid imo.
The real discussions are really limited by this concept, and it makes reading those a chore.
They removed the character limit recently, I think.
Only if you pay up, of course
Better late than never i guess.
Agreed. I think a forum-like interface is much more apt to allow interesting and rewarding discussions. Never liked Twitter’s interface either, I only think it’s good to spread announcements and the likes, which benefit exactly from that “person yells at cloud” idea :P
They’re different kinds of experiences.
Forum-type things like Slashdot, Reddit, Hacker news, Reddit, etc. put the focus on the topic or community.
Micro-blog type things like Twitter, Mastodon put the focus on individuals.
If you want to see what your favourite author is posting about, or what your favourite musician is working on, or maybe behind the scenes pictures from a sporting event, microblogging platforms are great for that. Journalists also loved them because they could follow specific other journalists or other key people in the area they cared about, and get direct info from that source.
OTOH, if what you care about is a certain topic (F1 racing, beebop jazz, etc.) then forum-style platforms are better because the focus is the topic rather than the individuals.
I didn’t like Twitter for that reason. Often I’d follow someone because I saw some posts they made about something I’m interested in. Then suddenly they’re flooding my feed with stuff I don’t care about and often being really annoying while they do it.
I rarely find someone who I like all their posts. So it’s like do I just put up with the furry porn retweets because this person is a genius who occasionally posts about really interesting hacks?
That’s why I rarely ever followed random people on the microblogging platforms. IMO what it’s good for is following journalists, who treat the platform professionally and mostly only talk about things related to their work, or say famous authors who do some self-promotion, but also sometimes talk about their creative process.
This is an important distinction. I follow people on Twitter, while I follow topics on Reddit. It’s also the main reason why Mastodon will never succeed until it reaches the people I want to follow.
Good breakdown! I realized how foolish it is to wish any service be like anything else.
The fediverse is diverse, and the comparison is immature. We should be grateful these alternatives exist at all, because not too long ago it felt like world wide web had been irreversibly overrun by corporations, and resistance was hopeless.
Thank you for helping evolve my perspective!
I like Mastodon, but I like Lemmy more. That said, I liked Reddit a lot more than Twitter so it makes sense I’d prefer Lemmy. I’d rather follow topics than people, and Mastodon/Twitter are about following people (yes you can subscribe to hashtags on Mastodon, but it isn’t the same).
That said, I still have and use both.
I have tried so many times to use Twitter(before Musk) and it never clicked with me. I have been on Reddit for over a decade. I like the idea of the fediverse but will it be able to hit the critical mass needed to actually replace Twitter and Reddit?
Insert meme ‘I like you both equally … that means I like YOU much more’ here…
IDK, I never used Twitter and never understood it: why would one ever want to share short messages? What can you express/explain with 160 characters? This is why I see no point in using Mastodon either…
I gel much better with forum format than microblog, mostly I don’t think I have anything worth saying on a microblog. I could see using it to follow people I’m interested in, but I can’t think of too many who fit that criteria. Also, they are all on TikTok. The only time I really used twitter was to get notifications when the ps5 was in stock somewhere.
I get news posts on Mastadon. Like a rss feed from lots of places without me going through different feeds.
I never liked the UI or design of Twitter. I grew up on image/text boards and migrated to reddit in the late 2000s as it started to take off. I like that the focus isn’t on profile building, or as you said following users, but rather on tagging along with communities that interest and inform you.
You are right. Mastodon is still super valuable and interesting despite its quirks and weird interface implementation.
I tried Mastadon too, it didn’t gel with me. Turns out I don’t care to follow people. I follow topics.
Is this so hard for big tech to understand?
You can follow hashtags on Mastodon. You can also follow Lemmy communities from Mastodon! Search
@<community>@<instance>(ie@fediverse@lemmy.ml)Every celebrity is an agenda. The agenda is always to make money.
I’ve been thinking that it is probably easier to move a community from a platform like Reddit to the Fediverse than it is from Twitter. I have used both Twitter and Reddit a lot, but have moved off Twitter and now use Mastodon. Mastodon works pretty well for me, but it’s taken a lot of work to get there, and there are parts of the communities (mostly related to my work) I want to connect with that just don’t exist on Mastodon.
But the big difference between Reddit/Lemmy and Twitter/Mastodon is that on Reddit/Lemmy I am interested in communities for topics that are mostly hobbies/entertainment etc. for me, so I don’t really care about who I’m interacting with… I can’t really name more than a handful of regular users or mods on the Reddit subs I’ve been using for more than a decade. But it’s not really important for interacting there, because it’s about interacting with people who have an interest in a particular topic no matter who they are. On Twitter/Mastodon (at least how I use it), the specific people I’m interacting with are more important.
So it seems the “lock in” of Reddit is weaker than Twitter, and I think it’ll be quicker to establish communities here. A community on Lemmy with a few hundred people contributing (posts/comments) is already pretty successful and enjoyable. It doesn’t matter that the equivalent community on Reddit has over a million people (and in fact it’s often better if it’s smaller!).
That weaker lock in and the fact that Reddit seems to be massively undervaluing the contribution mods and third-party app devs make to the platform make me think Reddit is going to quickly regret this whole fiasco.
True, I also think lemmy is the main star of fediverse (peertube too) because they don’t need network effect qnd milions of users.
Problem with reddit is it got too big l, similar like youtube, it always recommending me videos with milions of views and I don’t like them - they are professionally done and trying to sell me something.
I just want to watch random people sharing their thoughts and hobbies.
Right now we don’t have that part of the internet, but looks like it is comming back.
Indeed. Most of the subreddits I liked the most were ones with relatively small subscriber counts.
I think some of that is your YouTube profile, because I regularly reject recommended content on YouTube that has 250 subs or 1000 views. Mostly because it’s someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing in terms of making an engaging video so I get super bored quick. I don’t know how to tell you to change it, I do get stuff I ignore in the newpipe default list thats huge and completely uninteresting to me. But that may just be a default link, and I never go to just YouTube.com without just using it to search for a channel I like. I also don’t like or subscribe as I don’t really want another indicator of the channels I might watch. They can figure it out from what I load anyway.
Mastodon needs to absorb a critical mass of the users who drive content on Twitter in order to be a viable replacement. A Lemmy community only needs enough members to keep itself fairly active.
For sure the main appeal with Twitter was the direct communication with celebrities and other notable people, or at least some fascimile of interaction. It did a lot to close the gap between the famous and their fans/denouncers.
Reddit had some cool AMAs, but otherwise it was just regular people dedicated to their interests and passionate about sharing it.
What really disgusted me was how easily a few people could hijack a sub and make it their business platform to sell products.
It is important to have spaces that are completely insulated from advertisement and all the facets of capitalism.
Mastodon is WAY better if you follow tags. that said, I am very optimistic of Lemmy, it just needs a quality app.
I’m currently using Jerboa (Android). Seems pretty good but I’ve only been here a couple hours. Have you tried it?
I’m on Jerboa now, and I think it’s got good bones, but it still needs some work. Minor stuff tho, like how setting the overall font size affects pages slightly differently.
I also miss how RIF would open articles/media natively, instead of utilizing my default browser for everything. It’s actually nice using reader view in firefox for some stuff, but the extra loading and app-swapping is a little clunky. I’m sure it’s something I could get used to if I stick with it.
I also need to figure out what pages/instances to follow so I can curate what shows up on my home page. I’m on day 2 here, so a grain of salt is needed for my commentary on a project that I can nitpick, but could not build on my own.
I hope the devs from the third party apps that Reddit is murdering are able to get similar/better jobs elsewhere. Maybe the dev teams whose platforms are now getting flooded with Reddit refugees could use the help.
anyone who isn’t burnt out by the circumstances would do well to get in early on this. I see it in my industry all the time; shittier companies shoot themselves in the foot, and the laborers that made them big in the first place bail to make other startups better.
fingers crossed
And we should donate to all these new places. I’ll have to figure out where to send my money to support this massive migration.
Developers are already working on a way for 3rd party apps to switch over to lemmy. https://sh.itjust.works/post/12678
That’s amazing!
Do you or anyone know, how does one open the link you shared in their own instance? As in, so I’m still logged in on beehaw and can comment etc. tia
The RiF dev is working on an app for Tilde, I hope that works out.
Edit: tilde.net
I love how similar it is to Boost for Reddit, just wish I could stop the white flash on page transition.
@dessalines@lemmy.ml has said multiple times that he based it on Boost
I did indeed. Boost is the best reddit client… was never open source tho.
iOS? do you have a TestFlight link?
MLEM is the one on iOS. And yes, you do need TestFlight for it.
I installed that one… I am not sure if it’s the server load to blame, but it’s not entirely stable right now. I keep getting signed out.
I have it installed, but I haven’t had a chance to use it much yet. Just in the browser now. :)
It’s Android
Oh dang. Glad to see Android has some good apps coming along, hopefully the iOS community can catch up. The Mastodon client ecosystem exploded back in January, hopefully we can have the same happen here.
You know what, I feel like the second part of my name right now. The solution for discovery has always been there. Like, it is the MAIN feature.
Okay, I think I am ready for another Mastodon account. Just need to find the right instance.
I didn’t even know you could follow tags, that might actually change how I feel about Mastodon, let’s see!
I for the life of me can’t actually figure out how to get started with mastodon. Like how do i even create an account or find where to start?
It’s similar to lemmy where you first have to pick and join a server.
From there it’s essentially twitter with a larger character limit and the ability to follow hashtags.
I kind of see Mastodon as a Twitter replacement and Lemmy as a Reddit replacement. Each has specific use cases. I can see both platforms having value in my online engagement.
The possibility to follow hashtags in mastodon is a real progress : i just follow a few account but i like following hashtags on mastodon/pixelfed and may be tomorrow peertube. lemmy suffer from lack of contents. I hope it will improve in the comming months
Yes, neither is better than the other, they both fill the voids left by the failures of big companies.
Micro blogging like Mastodon I like more for following the personalities. I don’t have a big attention seeking personality so I do not get a lot of followers on that type of social media. I am more of a reply guy so Lemmy style content aggregator with comments I am able to participate more in.
For sure there are cool people I liked to follow, and frankly miss. As much as I say that I really just care about topics and go deep into things and ideas, it is still other people providing that information. I ultimately care about people and their passions.
The organization of Mastodon just sucks. Still, the people on there are worth the jank.
What exactly is a conteny agregator, I don’t get it… is reddit a content agregator? If so, why?
It’s in the name, mostly. It aggregates content. You can post links, text posts, images to specific communities and have them displayed in a feed of your communities of choice. That’s what Digg was and Reddit is, and kind of what Lemmy is doing- except on the Fediverse.
Mhm, I see.
So FB is not a content agregator?
I am really confused regarding these labels, social network, content agregator…
I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. I guess the “groups” functionality of Facebook could technically qualify it as such, but its primarily aimed at being a social media website. I’m not 100% on it either, because there’s a lot of overlap between platforms and their functionality.
People post links to articles.
People Order Our Patties?
Yeah in general, I like forums better than the format Twitter is in. I like topic-based discussions more than discussions spawned from short, potentially out-of-context messages.
Not to mention that the discussion is almost guaranteed to consist of similarly short (or even shorter) witty one-liners. Twitter format is just horrible, and its restrictions promote equally horrible behavior where you have to look for ways to convey ideas and feeling in a short manner, which almost never results in more polite and sophisticated conversations.
Never used Twitter for anything more serious than some announcements from the game devs I follow. Anything else is just plain stupid, which makes me really surprised over the wide-spread adoption of Twitter by officials and ministries and the like.
And raising the character limit is going to be even more absurd, because then it’s going to be reminiscent of an actual forum, just less structured and sensible.
Twitter, as a format, is the worst option between messengers like Matrix and proper forums of any kind.
I’m even a little suspicious that Twitter style messaging has played a part in “gotcha” politics that seem very popular everywhere, where some populists manage to gather a large following mostly by just using slick one-liners with relatively little substance.
Now sure, these have always existed and will likely exist, but I seem to see more and more of them with ever bigger popularity.I know it got me a bit, I used to browse subreddits dedicated to twitter owns, but realised that those were reeeally bad for me.
I think this kind of politics has been doing pretty alright before Twitter as well. They may have been lucky to have an entire platform dedicated to them in some way, but all it’s done is gather all the populists in one place to happily form echo chambers. It’s what Facebook has been for years, too.
We’re probably more aware of it than we used to be when this style was more spread out, but this bullshit has been doing well before, is doing well, and will do well with or without Twitter or any platform that forces short, clear-cut messages. People like this shit - this is the prime reason that counties living under dictatorship often have people praising their leaders for being “strong and effective”, i.e. if it sounds good, it must be good, with little firrheer analysis taking place; stickijg the the dictatorships example, you’ll often see the opposition followers falling very well for the same kind of populist talk or doing away with the past and punishing the dictator and their enablers.
Yeah, I don’t care to engage with low effort content.
How does the saying go? Interesting people talk about ideas, uninteresting people talk about other people.
“Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”
That is it. Thank you for the citation.
Damn I really miss forums.
I had the greatest times in the internet 20 years ago in forums where you could be part of something that felt like a community built over years. Found some long lasting friendships on forums. Sadly then came myspace and facebook and caused every single forum I used to die.
Honestly the fediverse somewhat can replace that because the instances emulate that feeling of community a little bit.
It feels like the internet has gotten too big for forums. As if they can only support a certain population and then they get too crowded. I feel like the up/down vote system gives the internet a lot more space.
I disagree. The upvote system is prone to creating echochambers. You post bad news and people will downvote it. You post something controversial. People will downvote it. I mean I don’t think it’s a bad system. I just believe that ranking content visibility based on it has some downsides.
Then you search controversial topics and find interesting stuff
The irony of people downvoting this because they disagree with you 😅 Does Reddiquette still apply here?
I think the upvote/downvote system just allows for a larger community before it becomes too big to be a good community
You should take a look at this instance: https://fedibb.ml/
Ah yeah. That has the fascade that I applaud.
Thank you. I will make an account when I get the time (I prefer not to make major decisons on my phone!).
I know that feeling! Like there’s not enough space to properly contextualize what you’re doing!
I think that instance is more a proof of concept, but you might be able to sign up still. The person behind it has made it available for anyone to use and I’m pretty sure if you’re on an instance that uses it then all of lemmy will be in the same style!
edit: If you’re interested in more info https://c.im/@youronlyone/110519684986917117
I know! Once you found a forum you loved you were IN IT. Those usernames were real people you looked forward to talking to. I think it has to do with the level of effort it takes for participation. The sparse, utilitarian all text design can be off putting. Some people just don’t like to read, you know? Often times it was not easy to make an account, you had to prove you were worthy of acceptance or get an invitation. It was work. MySpace and Facebook made it effortless, and it was appealing because you could immediately talk to friends instead of building rapport with strangers. I think in the end it comes down to respect. Social media is very permissive by design, and people got away with talking garbage with no consequences. You can’t just be hostile asshole around here.
Agreed! I learned so much intellectually. Broadened my horizons, sharpened my views through long-form, slower paced conversations of Forums/Message Boards. They are few and far between now. Boards such as this are the closest thing I can find now.
I miss the predecessors to forums. I loved when it all was not web based. Major doom and nntp.
Yeah, so far I fucking love lemmy! OSS for the fucking win!
Fuck yeah!
Lemmy and Reddit promote engagement, discourse and even arguments… ok, especially arguments.
Mastodon feels like a list of billboards that I am disconnected from.
“Oh, that’s news”
But no one talks between eachother about anything. I almost feel like the nature of the layout of Twitter and it’s alternatives are almost by design to make the users a little more self serving.
Mastodon has every user standing on a soapbox yelling at crowds, Lemmy is more of a public forum.
Yeah, this micro-blog approach is so one-sided. Some people want engagement, but most people are only looking for agreement.
@DidacticDumbass @BlinkerFluid Most of the Mastadon “toots” I engage with are multi-part threads. One one hand, that suggests that longer posts encourage engagement. On the other hand, they demonstrate that Mastadon is not entirely devoted to “micro” posts.
It does get awkward trying to follow a thread, especially when it branches out to islands of discussion.
The problem feels a lot more topological, like the micro posts are fine, but the view is bad. Reading the discussions takes more effort than it should, they need s different organizational structure than the collapsed vertical representation.
I do too. Mastodon is great software, but I’ve never been much of a user of the micro blogging format. The Reddit/hacker news format has been my preference for many years.
Another Reddit refugee here: lemmy makes much more sense to my brain than mastodon ever did. So far, this has huge promise.
I felt kind of lost when looking for a Reddit alternative. Lemmy feels like the right alternative. It’s not perfect but it’s a better base than what we had with Reddit. I hope it picks up.
Yeah, I like Lemmy’s organisation, but it lacks people. Now when Reddit is shitting om its users, I am hopeful that Lemmy will explode in user base soon.
@President_Pyrus @SmugBedBug It is not necessary that everyone who uses #Lemmy has to be a Lemmy user. Thanks to the #Fediverse , everyone from Mastodon, Misskey, etc. can also participate in Lemmy content (also post in communities, just don’t create your own communities). For example, I am currently replying from Friendica. The circle of people is much, much larger, so it’s not a problem if Lemmy lacks people.
@caos @President_Pyrus @SmugBedBug
And I am reading your exchange and replying from Mastodon ;)And I’m here from kbin. The beauty of the Fediverse!
I still have a lot to learn from the fediverse. I didn’t even know that that was possible. My mind is a little blown at the moment. Gonna have to go do some reading.
I rely hope it takes off like Mastodon did. Like everything worthwhile online, its the efforts of one person doing miracles to create something everyone can use, so if I want it to exist I will have to contribute to it somehow.
