• Rabid_Dog [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Building socialism takes time, but all the trends are in the right direction. Sorry it isn’t swift and pure enough for you, sitting in your computer chair in America.

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      Letting capitalist corporations squeeze their workers for the last drop, and that for years and years while the CPC watches on. Such great socialism.

      I’m sorry, I’m really not against China or anything(if you want check my post history), but you don’t need to defend everything that happens in China.

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        4 years ago

        Wow have you ever read Lenin? The initial stages of socialism resemble state capitalism, since socialism emerges out of capitalism. Because they don’t leap to full communism, we must condemn!

        The trends are in the right direction. Everything is going according to plan. Just chill the fuck out chauvinist. Have some patience and some solidarity.

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          And you can’t have better worker protections in a state capitalist system, where the state can dictate what flies or doesn’t fly?

          Come on.

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          It’s not chauvinist to criticize material conditions.

          What’s the point of having a communist party if you are going to allow capitalist working conditions and exploitation? Just pull a USSR and collapse so capitalism can run it’s natural course if that’s really your take.

          Anyway, for me the material argument that dominates a lot of this is that china is still developing.

          We see they passed the US by some metrics and the constant fear mongering in the US and I feel like I forget that sometimes. If something like poor conditions for otherwise well off tech workers takes time to address because there are still worse problems sucking up attention that makes sense. Workers fighting back also makes sense.

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            4 years ago

            Conditions are improving year over year. What’s the point of being a communist if you demand instant perfection and ignore the real results in front of your face?

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              I’m not, making improvements is good.

              That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t examine and question.

              Learn so much more about China on here from discussion and reading. it’s good as long as we don’t let it devolve into “China bad”.

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              Conditions are improving year over year in America. Like, literally go look up any statistics. Does that make it good? Does that mean you can’t criticize America without being a chauvinist?

              You are literally just using neoliberal platitudes like “expanding health care access” and it’s just as bullshit. There are no downsides to better worker protections except the loss of profits to capitalists. You’re talking about being a good materialist elsewhere, but for SOME REASON ignoring a basic economic motivation for the actual conditions. Hmmm…

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                Wages, conditions and actual hours worked by employed individuals are worsening in America. As is poverty. Literally the exact opposite trends as China