Not saying that our mods here aren’t doing a great job! Just the opposite! I think they are doing a phenomenal job! However, as users we should keep an eye on the logs to make sure power is kept in check. You can always view the modlog at the bottom of your browser window!
If someone posted stuff that really should be removed forever without any way of seeing or recovering it (like illegal stuff, especially CP), could it be done? I don’t think it’s a good idea to have a permanent backlog of stuff that was meant to be deleted. I understand concerns around transparency, but some stuff really should not be accessible.
I am and mod and admin in a bookwormstory.social and you can as a mod hide a comment to say “deleted by a mod” and as an admin delete comment from the database clicking “purge” button
Idk how that works releted to federation of purged content
cool to know
I wonder if instead a log entry of some kind could be made justifying the decision, but still obviously removing the material.
One of the best things about open source software - there is no need to hide useful information from your user base. A concept largely forgotten in today corporate hemisphere.
As you mentioned, I think the mods have done a fantastic job given the learning curve and lack of mod tools. This is just a good tool for accountability and transparency. Keep it up!
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there is no need to hide useful information from your user base
yet only the instance admins can see my total karma point sum while I can’t. It seems this has been removed to prevent “karma farming”. I don’t get it.
I thought it wasn’t available to anyone, but why would you want to view it? I never felt the karma system added much to reddit except the aforementioned karma farmers
I’m not really for or against it though
I thought it wasn’t available to anyone
Instance admins have the database and up/downvotes are stored there. Even if they don’t see it directly in the UI, it’d be trivial to extract the data with a simple db query.
I never felt the karma system added much to reddit
The important part: Reward/Penalty is vital for social network adoption. While it’s not vital to anyone, it’s the only way to check, well, your karma (in relation to other users) at a single glance.
Also people are dopamine driven. I honestly doubt that even you weren’t even a bit happy when you saw a post getting many upvotes additional to positive feedback. Or maybe surprised, when you suddenly lost a lot of karma for some comment you did with best intents. It’s quite hard to check every past comment/post, so the total sum makes sense.
Also it’s a good mechanism (not perfect for sure) to assess a user. E.g. some subreddits had a minimum karma limit required for posting/commenting. This led to karma farming and made it A LOT harder for bots or trolls with a gazillion accounts.
I’m not really for or against it though
Fair enough. I’m solid pro. We already use karma to sort posts and the data is there - just hidden. The upsides weigh heavier for me than the downsides.
Honestly, while I could care less about karma, this is likely just due to the infancy of the software. You had 2 people working on this for ~3 years, and in three days their user base increased 10x. It’s not like they were given time to prepare (thanks spez). These things will be worked out, we just have to be patient. It is worth the wait for federation.
It was there initially. This is the issue concerning search results.
I commented on the closed issue. Didn’t open a new issue, yet since I’m still new to lemmy. I also want to try kbin and get more familiar with both, before doing feature requests :)
This is super good to know. I’m planning on eventually spinning up my own server, basically for this reason, but the transparency of being able to audit mod behavior is awesome.
Is there a way to do this in Jerboa? I can’t seem to find one.
Nice feature!
But I wonder, why are removed posts just hidden? You can still access the links from the ModLog itself, URLs probably still appear in search engines, along with any images / content.
It would make sense if they are kept for a while so that others can check for abusive behaviour, but are they ever actually purged?
Unsure, I’d have to trawl the code base to answer that. Maybe a dev can chime in and clarify?
Ya’ it almost sounds almost like a way to pretend they are removing questionable content while still leaving it accessable.
AFAIK it was similar on reddit. You could still see content removed from the sub in a user’s history. I think the mechanism they’re trying to argue they’re controlling is promotion of that content. Especially here where no one “owns” it, it just is. Being seen to promote illegal content is what the heat comes from.
Makes sense, I was overthinking it…
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I always check the modlog and instances before joining an instance. Don’t want to make that beehaw mistake of having your entire feed nuked because the mods suck
What happened with beehaw? Beehaw is another server, right?
Beehaw has recently blocked basically every other instance.
They are a different server, yeah. So you’re on discuss.tchncs.de, and I’m on sh.itjust.works, these are two different servers but we can interact just fine.
Beehaw, on the other hand, cannot interact with sh.it users and vice versa.
the mods give any reason?
Edit: I am also from sh.it but I can view beehaw just fine
You can view it just fine if you visit it using your instance. If you view beehaw on your dashboard without specifically going to beehaw, you’ll only see posts before the defederation.
either way, your comments will not be visible to any beehaw users. even in different instances.
Good to know, that is insanely cool! I like transparency.
