• Sabre363@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    What we need to do is stop viewing men and women as separate entities that require different expectations and treatment. Hell, we should probably just chuck the entire construct of gender out the window as it serves no real purpose other than to pit groups of people against each other.

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      11 months ago

      We can admit there are differences in biology, sex, and cultural expectations rather than live in fantasy land and paint with a brush so broad it covers literally everyone in existence.

      How about we treat groups as individuals. Whether that be a man or woman. Chances are the problems effecting most men are issues other men face. Women that only women face. Then some that everyone does.

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        11 months ago

        I’m my experience the only problems that affect any specific gender are either tied directly to biology or, much more commonly, are problems that we ourselves create because we insist on a difference between genders.

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          11 months ago

          They’re both linked intrinsically as we’re both saying though.

          I’d argue that the difference culture makes between genders is rooted way more in biology than we people to give credit for. So much of who a person is relies on a the genetic roll of the dice and a lot less on how we’re raised, who are parents are, etc. While they absolutely have influences, it’s just way less than we link to think it is. Separated twin studies have shown this time and again.

          Also, testosterone and estrogen are a hell of a drug.

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            11 months ago

            The concept of gender derives from biological sex, so yeah they’re linked. But, beyond being a convenient way to different genitals, gender doesn’t really provide any positive influence to society. It’s most often used as a way to reconcile differences between people and discriminate them into an identifiable group.

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      11 months ago

      I think this is absolutely the way to go for future generations (think genderless preschools/kindergartens) but I really don’t think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations. Although I really do appreciate the folks that try.

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      11 months ago

      I fully agree with your… Vibe?

      But honestly there are differences between the sexes and genders and we shouldn’t just ignore those. Especially not with gender roles still being so embedded and most people being raised/coded with them.

      I grew up a hetero normative male and that shit is hard to let go of, even tho I’m definitely not straight and love queer stuff. Escaping that “programming” can be scary AF.

      I’m more than happy to raise a new generation free of gender roles, but let’s not forget those that were raised with them.

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        11 months ago

        Yeah, it’s definitely not something that is even remotely easy to change and it would probably take several generations to do so. I think it starts with separating the two concepts and recognizing that for the most part the differences are tied to sex, not gender. Also, I think it’s perfectly fine for people to identify with a gender, but to tie the entire perception of them to the gender is where all the problems arise. Though maybe that necessarily complicates things.