Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) on Tuesday claimed the social media platform TikTok is creating “warped” perceptions of Israel’s war with the Palestinian militant group Hamas. When as…
    • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
      82·
      6 months ago

      “Jewish Palestinians” =/= “Israelis”.

      The majority of settler occupiers in occupied Palestine are not historically from that region and have no ties to those present in the region in the 8th century. .

      • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
        46·
        6 months ago

        So Israel and non-Jewish Palestinians should be forced out?

        That hardly seems like a viable solution

            • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
              82·
              6 months ago

              Quite a bit. Like, using centuries old conflicts as justification for contemporary wars is sick, and even less meaningful when the majority of those who this justification would be applied to have absolutely no history that ties them to the supposed historical events.

              On the other hand, the people who started the Gaza genocide, are not only still alive, many of them are still in positions of power, and still actively engaging in furthering and perpetuating the genocidal project of the Israelis.

              So, if, by your logic, Jewish Israelis, who the vast majority of which have no ethnic or cultural ties to Palestine, can use 15 century old conflicts as the basis for modern day genocide, then why can’t contemporary Palestinians, who can put a face and name to those actively engaging in genocide against them, fight back? Why is it always framed as if Palestine attacking Israel is an act of aggression, while the wholesale oppression and systematic murder of Palestinians is never seen as such? The Al-Aqsa Flood was a desperate measure by an oppressed group in the fact of escalating violence against them. Hundreds or thousands of Palestinians are extrajudicially killed every year, thousands arrested and held for months or years without trial. Thousands dispossessed of their homes every year. It is definitively an act of defense to attack those perpetuating these violent abuses upon them.

              • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
                26·
                6 months ago

                Isn’t your logic then that if Israel doesn’t stop then they will rightfully own the area because there won’t be any descendants of the people they killed?

                As per my original point, if you ignore the other side then it’s easy to see yourself as right

                And as you can see by the people replying to me, they have no clue about the other side of it

                Don’t try to “both sides” me

                If you have any understanding of “last time they killed us they eradicated us” then you might understand why Israel is acting the way they are

                And you’ll get people chanting to get rid of Israel/extend Palestine to the sea

                Of course Israel is going to be fighting for their lives

                It’s fine if you want that but don’t blame the other side for thinking you want that and don’t pretend to be leftist if you aren’t looking for a joint solution

                As for anyone dumb enough to say “they have no choice but terrorism/violence” that is only justified when you want to eliminate the other side

                We don’t blow up pipelines or execute billionaires in hopes of a compromise, we do it in hopes to get rid of them

        • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
          82·
          6 months ago

          You realize it was the Roman’s who ended Jewish majority in the region, right? Not Muslims.

                • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  6 months ago

                  I don’t think the region was after the 4th century, at least according to this article:

                  Palestine underwent many demographic upheavals throughout history. By the 4th century, the Jews, who had formerly constituted a majority in Palestine, had become a minority. The Jewish population in Jerusalem and its environs in Judea suffered a heavy blow during the Jewish–Roman wars (66–135 CE) that was never fully recovered. In the following centuries, many Jews emigrated to thriving centers in the diaspora. Others continued living in the region, especially in the Galilee and the coastal plain, and others converted to Christianity. Later, the failure of the Samaritan revolts against the Byzantines (484–573 CE) resulted in the decline of the Samaritan population. The conversion of local populations, along with the immigration of Christians, led to the creation of a Christian majority in Late Roman and Byzantine Palestine.

                  That article continues to note what happened to the Jewish populations under Muslim rule:

                  The Samaritan community dropped in numbers during the various periods of Muslim rule in the region. The Samaritans could not rely on foreign assistance as much as the Christians did, nor on a large number of diaspora immigrants as did the Jews. The once-flourishing community declined over time, either through emigration or conversion to Islam among those who remained. According to Milka Levy-Rubin, many Samaritans converted under Abbasid and Tulunid rule.

                  Let me know if you have any other quotes from better sources. Thanks.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      83·
      6 months ago

      I’m sorry but the happenings of a thousand years ago do not qualify for a modern war.