In the United States, that would be illegal. The only information that a company is allowed to give is whether a person is employed or not. Anything else will open them up to legal troubles. So you’re right that this conversation could take place, but it wouldn’t, and if it did, the former employee can make bank in court for damages.
E: turns out I was mistaken on this as it’s what I’ve been told many times over. However, on a state to state basis, and specifically in my state, information shared is restricted to being work related. I think a nasty text isn’t work related, but it could be said that there wasn’t a notice given. IANAL, so ignore everything I wrote and don’t spread as fact. Be better than me.
Former employers can answer a narrow set of questions without opening themselves up to liability. Among them:
dates of employment
documented departure reason
eligible for rehire
status of non-competes
I’m guessing somewhere between the departure reason and “no, we wouldn’t rehire this person” the new employer might have some additional questions for the prospective employee.
Some companies deserve to have you quit without notice, fuck 'em, but they are allowed to report some facts to other HR departments who ask.
I’m straight up about to go in and out my employer on notice. Been 9 years, I’ve had enough. I’m not trying to screw them, so I’m going to give them an opportunity to hire replacements for me before I go. The ball will be in their court.
This was mostly in response to your last paragraph. Not really related, but it feels good to more or less say it out loud.
Giving at least a few days notice is helpful, nobody ever expects you to do anything during that time, they might just send you home or ask you to document and close out your current projects.
After 9 years, what’s one of two weeks to avoid souring a potential reference? It feels just as good clocking out that last time as quitting on the spot.
Usually you get “is there anything we can do to keep you”, “is there any reason you’re quitting” and “when is your last day”.
Edit: by souring I mean most employers won’t outright badmouth you, but your boss might say good things about you even though you’ve quit. If there’s a chance of that then that is valuable when you negotiate your next job.
I didn’t quit, I told them my time here is short and they should figure out my replacements. I don’t have a firm timeline, because I’m not sure how my product will play out, but I will be leaving and I will help with the transition. If my opportunity turns into a reality, I will give them a hard date. Also, I’m the only person that does a lot of stuff here, and I know they will hurt without me, so I’m not gonna turn off my phone when I leave and leave them high and dry. If this place treated me really poorly, I’d have no qualms about walking out now, but they didn’t, so I’m not.
I mean it’s also illegal to get fired for discussing wages with coworkers, but then you get “fired for poor performance/attitude.” They don’t have to say they did anything wrong. Same here, 2 managers “talking” aren’t going to go out of their way to try to get the other in trouble. They’ll be happy for the info and not say anything.
They can make bank if they knew. The company can just take back their offer for any reason and they don’t have to tell the incoming employee why they did that. You think an HR is going to tell you that they talked to your last employer? No
In the United States, that would be illegal. The only information that a company is allowed to give is whether a person is employed or not. Anything else will open them up to legal troubles. So you’re right that this conversation could take place, but it wouldn’t, and if it did, the former employee can make bank in court for damages.
E: turns out I was mistaken on this as it’s what I’ve been told many times over. However, on a state to state basis, and specifically in my state, information shared is restricted to being work related. I think a nasty text isn’t work related, but it could be said that there wasn’t a notice given. IANAL, so ignore everything I wrote and don’t spread as fact. Be better than me.
This is false.
Former employers can answer a narrow set of questions without opening themselves up to liability. Among them:
I’m guessing somewhere between the departure reason and “no, we wouldn’t rehire this person” the new employer might have some additional questions for the prospective employee.
Some companies deserve to have you quit without notice, fuck 'em, but they are allowed to report some facts to other HR departments who ask.
I’m straight up about to go in and out my employer on notice. Been 9 years, I’ve had enough. I’m not trying to screw them, so I’m going to give them an opportunity to hire replacements for me before I go. The ball will be in their court.
This was mostly in response to your last paragraph. Not really related, but it feels good to more or less say it out loud.
Giving at least a few days notice is helpful, nobody ever expects you to do anything during that time, they might just send you home or ask you to document and close out your current projects.
After 9 years, what’s one of two weeks to avoid souring a potential reference? It feels just as good clocking out that last time as quitting on the spot.
Usually you get “is there anything we can do to keep you”, “is there any reason you’re quitting” and “when is your last day”.
Edit: by souring I mean most employers won’t outright badmouth you, but your boss might say good things about you even though you’ve quit. If there’s a chance of that then that is valuable when you negotiate your next job.
I didn’t quit, I told them my time here is short and they should figure out my replacements. I don’t have a firm timeline, because I’m not sure how my product will play out, but I will be leaving and I will help with the transition. If my opportunity turns into a reality, I will give them a hard date. Also, I’m the only person that does a lot of stuff here, and I know they will hurt without me, so I’m not gonna turn off my phone when I leave and leave them high and dry. If this place treated me really poorly, I’d have no qualms about walking out now, but they didn’t, so I’m not.
They’re also allowed to say if they would re-hire you, which they almost certainly wouldn’t after that text.
Dude, you just made this up. Prove to me otherwise
I mean it’s also illegal to get fired for discussing wages with coworkers, but then you get “fired for poor performance/attitude.” They don’t have to say they did anything wrong. Same here, 2 managers “talking” aren’t going to go out of their way to try to get the other in trouble. They’ll be happy for the info and not say anything.
Lol where did you pull this theory out of?
They can make bank if they knew. The company can just take back their offer for any reason and they don’t have to tell the incoming employee why they did that. You think an HR is going to tell you that they talked to your last employer? No