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Cake day: August 25th, 2019

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  • Didn’t read the whole thing as its flaws are apparent and dealt with in this thread, but this is neither a national liberation struggle nor a class war. There is no outcome to this war that involves a fully sovereign Ukraine standing alone without being completely dependent on the US or Russia. Both US and Russia are imperialist, both want Ukraine in their sphere of influence. What Russia has said about “national liberation” for ethnic Russians also falls flat for me outside of Crimea as in most of Ukraine at this point identity is split between people who believe Russia is evil and for some inexplicable reason wants to kill Ukrainians and the people who don’t believe that more than between ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. There are ethnic Ukrainians who would rather work with the Russians, but they are a minority at this point. Part of the reason this falls flat is that there isn’t really that much difference ethnically between Ukrainians and Russians, but on the flip side the nationalists who control Ukraine are trying to purge anything that makes them connected to Russia, which will come down to purging most of Ukrainian ethnic identity as well.

    It’s all a terrible mess, and we shouldn’t support anyone other than the innocent working people of all the countries who are suffering as a result.