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    5 days ago

    You’re right that there’s a difference between, say, Pinochet disappearing thousands of political opponents as a more-or-less open policy of internal repression and the level of police violence we’ve seen thus far in the U.S.

    You’re wrong that Biden is going to do anything to help.





  • Nah, they’re trying to win, they’re just constrained by:

    1. Being a capitalist party that can’t firmly promise much material aid to voters
    2. Being an imperialist party that can’t respond to widespread discontent with current imperial wars
    3. All upper leadership having golden parachutes in media, banking, law, etc.
    4. No real way to force Biden out
    5. No better option (again, given the restraints of a capitalist party) than an incumbent who’s already beaten Trump once
    6. Liberal ideology like “we need a strong Republican Party” and “we can’t simply arrest this guy we’re calling a fascist”
    7. The general incompetence that crops up when party leaders basically can’t fail their way out of endless party job opportunities

    If you and I got in a boxing match and for some reason I insisted on wearing 50 pound weights on my ankles, I could try really hard and would still suck given my self-imposed constraints.



  • This has to help, though you wonder how much. Plenty of libs were radicalized under Trump, but plenty more went back to brunch when Biden won.

    The propaganda excuse for American atrocities is that they were isolated incidents, bad apples, unrepresentative of who we are. Even whole eras get whitewashed this way. Trump is so much more buffoonish than any president in living memory that he plays right into that.



  • Both bad takes.

    Setting aside the whole issue of how it looks for leftists to say they support Trump, for any reason, the State Department wouldn’t even let Trump pull troops out of Syria, so of course they aren’t going to let him do anything that would seriously damage NATO. Congress has already passed a law to keep presidents from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO, and you could just as well argue that the war in Ukraine is placing more stress on the organization than any pissy comments Trump made about who’s paying what.

    With the DPRK, Trump did nothing of material significance. He could wake up tomorrow and go back to calling Kim “Rocket Man.” Like with NATO, he’d face intense institutional opposition to any serious change, and he doesn’t care enough to try and fight that.

    Then there’s the whole issue of Trump being widely viewed as an aberration, which means NATO countries will take his yammering less seriously and U.S. decisionmakers will be less likely to view his actions as precedent.