I have-- I found it to be a pain to setup and trying to get people to try it was ridiculously difficult. After I got it setup and sent the link to others to download, most people asked…
“What client do I download? Why are there so many?”
“Do I need to setup a server? What are all these options”
“Are [mutual friends] on here? No? Okay…”
“Does [popular community] have a server here? No? Okay…”
It’s what people actually want
I just can’t help but laugh at this statement. It’s not what most people want, and it’s a shame so many people refuse to try and understand why. I’m tired of hearing open-source advocates fawn over things like Linux or Matrix and act like the average user experience isn’t the biggest reason why a lot of open source software is so unpopular.
It reminds me of people who are bad at cooking because they don’t use enough salt, butter, sugar or spices, and they insist that one has to acquire a more refined palate to enjoy their bland food. It’s like vegans who actually know how to make good food (i.e. VLC, OBS, Libre Office) versus vegans who refuse to listen to feedback and keep serving up dishes that they think are amazing but most people think are mediocre.
Even poor working class people can easily figure out how to use it.
The problem isn’t whether poor, working class people can figure this stuff out. It’s whether they realistically will, and in the case of software like Matrix, particularly in its current state, it will not attract most working class people who introduced to it. Privileged people tend to have the time and resources to go through the inevitable troubleshooting that’s involved in switching primarily used software to something completely new, and far too often to these issues get downplayed (i.e. the “I installed Linux for my parents but they keep complaining” phase that many open-source enthusiasts go through)
The popular FOSS projects you mentioned as success cases were obscure and little known for many years before going mainstream. Ask yourself if you remember when Firefox was called Phoenix.
Firefox was called Phoenix for all of two years, and rapidly gained popularity after a great amount of time and effort was paid with respect to what users actually want and will use-- not what users can and should use, according to developers.
I think that the response in this discussions often boils down to “users CAN figure it out” demonstrates the exact problem I’m talking about, in that there’s a massive difference between when users can do, and what users will do. Fixating on the former and not the latter is a massive waste of time.
The problem with this, particularly as leftists, is that we’re left to choose alternatives to these communications platforms that have next to no user base. It’s like consistently voting for a party that is great in theory, but completely misses the mark in terms of being able to attract a large number of people. Most working class people don’t have the time/money/energy to delve into open-source alternatives to major platforms and go through the painstaking process of navigating their way through new software, as well as trying to convince people to join. Opsec is important, but I can’t help but note that it’s something that often privileged leftists obsess over, completely missing why most of us don’t take such extreme measures all the time.
There’s open-source software that’s very popular because the developers take time to understand what users want, what users don’t want, and how users tend to work. Instead, developers take time to create open-source software that works the way they (the developers) want, and not so much the way users want the software to work. There’s a lot of "they’ll learn to like it" attitude with open-source alternatives and it’s a huge reason why they don’t succeed.
Want people to use open-source software? Look at VLC, Firefox, and LibreOffice, and honestly ask yourself what they’re doing right in terms of successfully attracting a very large number of users. Then look at open-source software that sounds great in theory but just can’t seem to attract many users, and honestly ask yourself what about that software users find difficult to grasp.
Far too many people in the open-source community care about what people should like and not what people actually like. If these devs want to attract more people, they need to listen to what most users actually want and create a competing product that people actually find attractive. This IMO is one of the most difficult to swallow pills that a lot of developers are far too prideful and arrogant to understand.
Personally, I find it very easy to use. I also can’t help but laugh at the creator of this video seemingly not realizing that by using YouTube/Google, he’s effectively doing what Stallman warns against regarding Discord.
You’re missing my point. Most working class people don’t have the time/resources to look into all of these alternatives. This is like telling someone who shops at Wal-Mart that if they looked harder, they could find a more ethical place to shop without realizing that the reason why they shop at Wal-Mart is because they can barely afford the time or gas to get there and back.
I understand that reading these things, often full of judicial jargon, is something undesirable, but not doing so is the same as signing a loan in a bank, without reading the conditions, it can give many unpleasant surprises and consequences.
I agree. And similar to bank loans, TOS are often predatory and reliant on working class people not understanding what they’re getting into.
I think you’re blaming the victims of a very predatory practice. In fact, I’d venture to say that even you don’t 100% know what you’re getting into when you’ve read various TOSs. Given the fact that they’re often written by corporate lawyers with the intention of obscuring any nefarious intentions, I think you should try to understand the Sisyphean task you’re assigning working class people with very limited time and resources.
To quote Jerry Seinfeld…
“Have you read that thing? It’s like the Declaration of Independence.”"
a) most people don’t have the time to read the TOS;
b) most people don’t understand half of what a TOS even talks about; and
c) people have fewer and fewer alternatives to these companies because this sort of thing is becoming so common.
Depends on a lot of factors related to the environment, i.e. pollution types, viability of water treatment, food sources and what their growth is reliant on, equipment and what their maintenance is reliant on (i.e. parts/consumables ideally not reliant on regions in heavy conflict).
I’ve never been in a war zone but I have been in one of the country’s worst natural disasters (along with several smaller ones) and what I learned from those experiences is not to trust anyone who refuses to understand the importance of fluid decision-making in complex life or death scenarios, instead rigidly adhering to a fixed plan they had developed long before the emergency situation happened. It ends up slowing them down far more than anything and creates loads of avoidable problems in the name of consistency.
That’s not to say one shouldn’t have a plan but if it relies on taking route A to escape and route A is on fire, the people who blindly say "STICK TO THE PLAN" without recognizing that the plan requires adaptation, they’re not to be trusted because they possess a theoretical understanding of the situation, not a practical understanding.
Far too often people who confidently think their plan A will work, end up dying because they foolishly downplayed the need for adapting/abandoning their plan in the face of impending doom. Wildfires in particular have resulted in entire families burning to death-- wealthy families who were convinced their various expensive, extensive precautionary methods were foolproof but learned the hard way that mother nature can very quickly make a mockery of the measures humans take.
Thaank you, glad I’m not the only one who feels lost trying to navigate Peertube…
I wouldn’t consider myself a “content creator” but I do post YouTube videos and I wouldn’t be upset at all if people watched my videos through something like FreeTube or NewPipe. I just want people to see/hear what I’m posting.
I have no clue how to make a PeerTube account. I’m trying to do that now and it’s asking me to choose an “instance” without explaining what that is. Then when I click the topics relevant to my videos, either no instances show up or those that do have a puny amount of users like 30.
edit: The video finally made it to Odysee. It is here
Yeah I’m looking into PeerTube now and it’s pretty confusing compared to YouTube or Odysee. Like it’s telling me to choose an instance, without even explaining what an instance is… and then when I click the relevant topics… no instances pop up.
I really wish YouTube’s alternatives could understand why stuff like this ends up being a massive barrier for regular people. This is frustrating. I managed to upload my video to Odysee but now it’s stuck in this nebulous “confirming” page. So disappointing.
I think this is out of discussion already. No Lemmy Discord and I don’t want it in any form.
Great, so why are you here in this thread? You don’t want Lemmy on Discord but I clearly do. Do you go to basketball communities and complain about how you don’t care about basketball? What a strange, strange way to inject yourself into a discussion.
By that reasoning, lemmy and the rest of the fediverse is also just for privileged leftists?
You realize most of us use Lemmy AND reddit, right?
Also, how do you equate this with any type of political ideology?
Because Lemmy is a space for leftists and I’ve seen countless discussions like this where instead of getting off their high horse to reach more working class people, privileged leftists insist on staying in the corner in niche spaces and not reaching out.
You made a post in c/asklemmy asking about lemmy discussions on a different platform, not “is there a discord room that aligns with my specific political ideology”.
Given the fact that Lemmy is a leftists space, it was implied that a Lemmy Discord would align with leftist ideologies. Or are you confused about whether Lemmy is for leftists?
Also equating discord with walmart isn’t quite accurate, since people go to wal mart because there are no alternatives.
I said no viable alternatives, not no alternatives. This is the Linux argument all over again.
Discord is where most working class people are online though, and it’s a shame so many privileged leftists act like Goldilocks when it comes to how they reach out to working class people.
Should we do the classic IT guy thing where I recommend to people a niche, barely used but superior alternative that they inevitably never use? I’m totally sure if I pitch “Lemmy project matrix rooms”, I’m likely to reach a large amount of working class people…
It really sucks how privileged and picky some leftists are. Wal Mart is terrible too-- do you judge working class leftists for shopping there when it’s the only viable option?
I’ve driven and been in the passenger seat of a “self-driving” Tesla. Within seconds of turning on the feature, the car was doing all kinds of janky shit like jamming on the brakes to take sharp turns, all kinds of sketchy shit. Tesla owners are so drenched in bias and an obligation to say only nice things about the expensive care they bought to acknowledge how dangerous main features like “self-driving” are.
I think self-driving semi trucks will be far more popular than self driving cars. That said, public transit is what people should be focused on, IMO.
For anyone who doesn’t believe me about how sketchy Tesla’s self-driving feature is… If you know someone with a Tesla, ask them to demonstrate it to you and watch how careful they are to keep their hands ready to correct when the care inevitably fucks up, because they’ve experienced it in the past and know just how dangerous is it is. It’s like a product that only works well in the most sterile conditions.
I spent some time yesterday trying to verify this claim and can’t find anything. I asked a friend of mine who is a historian if she could verify this claim and she was not able to. She pointed me to a paper called “Agrarian Collectives during the Spanish Revolution and Civil War” by Michael Seidman but it too did not have any information about people in anarchist Spain making 50% less income than people without.
Do you have a source or direction you can point me to for this claim?
Just read over what you’re saying, please. In a conversation about multi-billionaires behind the most toxic social media platforms on the planet (Zuckerberg, Dorsey), you’re "happy to give them the benefit of the doubt" when they pitch a model like this, that is so plainly reliant on something they’re already heavily invested in?
Come on, as a leftist… I really do wish more people on the left were less inclined to give these ghouls the benefit of the doubt.
Not often enough. I need to remind myself that reddit is a ridiculously ⬜ space that is so far from being genuinely understanding of the shit POCs deal with. I actually feel bad for not going on Lemmy as much-- I just wish the site was more popping.