I’m going to go a bit further and say that kids today are not worse than in the past. It’s been 20 years since I taught computers but the doom and gloom here could have easily been posted in 2002 with only minor rewording.

GUIs got good with the launch of the Mac in 1984, and by the launch of XP Mac OS X in ‘01 good GUIs were cheap. This brought computers into way more homes and exposed them both to kids who liked them for their own sake and to kids who saw them primarily as a tool.

I think people like this handwringing about kids not understanding computers on a deep enough level for their taste are just being obtuse.

I write software now instead of teaching and I write the kind of software that people should be able to just use as a tool.

We’ve had 20 years where the vast majority of computer users understand latin better than they understand their computers. It’s fine. It’ll continue to be fine.

Idiots. This is a “don’t you guys have phones” moment, but about the GM management and I mean it unironically.

Especially for new car buyers. It’s a much more iPhone heavy group than the general population.

At least in countries where I’ve lived, there were two expensive phones that are popular: Samsung Galaxy, and iPhones. The only GM could have boned this harder is if they somehow nerfed the experience on Samsung flagships too.

Maybe the post has been edited between when you posted and now, but that’s not what OP is saying.

He’s saying that people don’t want to use SMS. They want to message him via some other platform.

Honestly, I’m the same way. I don’t like SMS and talk to my friends on Android via WhatsApp.

Especially for group chats of any kind, SMS is garbage compared WhatsApp, Signal, or Threema.

These schools are using iPads in place of computer labs. I’m old enough to have actually managed a computer lab, and I can tell you that a fleet of managed iPads is way easier to maintain than a computer lab.

He’s certainly done me a favour. I wasn’t really in to Twitter but hadn’t heard of Mastodon until the 3rd app dust up.

Turns out Mastodon is very much my speed. I’m glad he decided to blow up Twitter.

That and they want to make public platforms miserable for the people they hate.

I’m in the same boat. I didn’t think I’d end up caring about Threads much, especially since it didn’t even launch where I live.

But seeing how much Musk hates it has been pretty funny.

It’s not widely shared because the actual facts of that story don’t help the “Facebook will kill activity pub” narrative.

Before Google Talk and Facebook Messenger adopted XMPP it was an extremely niche messaging protocol only used by nerds. After Google Talk and Facebook Messenger dropped XMPP it went back to being a niche messaging protocol used only by nerds.

The standing of XMPP was, if anything, better off after it was abandoned by Google Talk and Facebook Messenger than before those platforms adopted it.

So then for somebody trying to scare monger about Meta, this story doesn’t help. It hurts that narrative, and that’s why people panicing about Threads aren’t talking about XMPP.

There’s a saying here in Germany that roughly goes “If you’re at a dinner with 1 Nazi and 9 people who say nothing, that’s a dinner with 10 Nazis”. That’s how it is with HN. They can’t hide behind “just some commenters” when they’ve got years long harrasment campaigns and then update HN’s code in order to get arround Hector’s attempts to stem the tide.

The comments are all gone now. But as Hector points out, it takes weeks or months for the moderators to actually do anything. In my opinion they don’t get credit for removing these comments once the threads are stale.

And then when people try to limit HN traffic to their site and stop the harrasment campaign, Dang updates HN to order to circumvent it.

The Asahi team got a massive amount of harassment from HN, it took HN weeks to remove any comments, months to remove them all, but they were very keen on getting around Hector’s HN block.

WTF? HN is one of the best communities. What exactly is “toxic” about it?

Their years long harrasment campaign against one of the main developers on OpenGL because she’s trans, and the project lead for AsahiLinux because he stood up for her come to mind. I’m interested in graphics stacks (because I’m bad at it myself) and you basically can’t discuss OpenGL there because they hate Alyssa Rosenzweig for existing.

There’s a reason why lots of people block them entirely and that HN doesn’t respect those blocks basically tells you all you need to know.

Re: competition, I agree Lemmy isn’t going to absorb all of Reddit right away. But it might make a dent.

This won’t happen. As soon as any one instance of Lemmy grows other instances will just defederate it (like so many Mastodon instances wanted to do with mastodon.social) and kill whatever growth there is.

I don’t mind that Lemmy will remain small. It’s fine by me, but anyone expecting Reddit to ever notice Lemmy is kidding themselves.

Reddit’s metrics are ad sales. And I think the impact here is going to be slower, and take longer.

Twitter’s fall has been faster because existing competitors like Facebook and Instagram can take some of their users, Mastadon takes another chunk, and Substack launched their Twitter clone Notes already. Not to mention Bluesky’s expanding public beta. If you liked Twitter and want that experience somewhere else, you’ve got good options.

Reddit has no real competitor. There’s stuff like Hacker News, but their community is small and extremely toxic. Nothing else comes close. Until there’s a true Reddit competitor, their demise will be slow and could be easily turned around.

You and I are of course on Lemmy. But lets be real, Lemmy isn’t a competitor to reddit. As I write this comment there are 3 users online in this community. And given how there’s already a huge amount of in-fighting and defederating amoung different Lemmy instances, this will never really take off.

Regular people don’t want to sign up for a service and only to have it suddenly become much less useful overnight because they failed some purity test they didn’t even know they were taking.

Twitter had to kill 3rd party apps twice in order for the mastodon migration to happen. First they did it in 2011 and then again after Elon bought the company.

I imagine a true Twitter > Mastodon level migration away from Reddit won’t happen yet. But once they inevitably dump old.reddit.com, it might.

It’s always interesting to see this perspective as I basically feel the exact opposite. I use an iPhone, and have an Android phone as a test device for work. Generally, my iPhone and Mac are so much easier to use together than an Android phone and Windows or Linux PC.

Universal clipboard and AirDrop are built into the OS and way better than KDE Connect. Shortcuts is also much easier and more powerful than Tasker. Plus excellent apps like Prologue, NetNewsWire, Ivory, or Elastic Drums have no parallels on Android.

For whatever reason, iOS users are more willing to pay for software and that makes the software available on iOS significantly better.

This is correct. It’s not a Spotify feature.

It is a feature on Apple Music, but it’s only possible to upload the music from the Mac app (in my experience).

You and I must have been in opposite threads there. Because it was weird, but in the opposite way you’re describing.

Once saw one where I guy’s wife let her sister something close to 1% of their savings because both the sister and her partner had been laid off in one month. The guy went ballistic and move everything out of their joint accounts into ones under his name only, and gave her a strict allowance. People on reddit were telling him that’s nowhere enough, he should apparently divorce her right away, and maybe sue her.

They were also convinced that because of this one short term loan the SIL and BIL were now going to think he’s a sucker, and they’d move in.

It was weird. Those places often get weird though because people in healthy relationships, or single but happy about it, just don’t show up. So you just gave a cycle of people unhappy with their personal relationships goading other equally unhappy people.

I’m not sure how many users will actually stay away. But if even a small fraction of the mods for these big subs stay away Reddit’s gonna have a problem.

Lemmy will pull some mods away, traditional forums will pull some away, and that could really hurt.

However, only time will tell if that ends up happening.