the intent of the code is to get the previous month RELATIVE to the current date.

But that isn’t what it does. From the original post:

function getMonthName(monthNumber) {
  const date = new Date();
  date.setMonth(monthNumber - 1);

  return date.toLocaleString([], { month: 'long' });
}

That is a function which is meant to take a number (presumably 1 to 12) and return a localized name for it. This is essentially an array lookup and should return the same output for a given input (and locale) every time it is called. If the intent is to return a value relative to the current date, it is even more wrong, since it should gather the month from the current date, not the function paramenter. This claim of intent, not present in the original post, is an example of you changing your story over time.

Yes, it would help find the problem faster because the first time invalid date is passed in the program will crash.

No, it wouldn’t. As I have said before, testing for unexpected return values is just as effective as testing for errors, that is, not very with the function originally presented under sensible assumptions. If the function actually did look like the intent you claim, the tests would be different, necessarily replacing Date for consistent runs, but would be equally likely to catch the problem whether failing on value or error. And if you are eschewing testing and relying on runtime crashes, you have bigger problems.

Given that I have agreed and commiserated, and neither of us can change JavaScript, there is nothing to be gained from pursuing this complaint. In contrast, what I have tried to say, if followed, would give you an approach that leads to more reliable code, even in the face of undesirable APIs.

I had thought that worth pursuing, and had thought you worth investing my considerable time. Alas, I can only lead you to the water…

I’m not missing your points, even as you change them. I’ve agreed that JS sucks. I’ve agreed that errors can be more helpful. I’m not trying to argue with you about that. What I have said, from the beginning, is that in the code you originally presented a behavioural change for setMonth will not help you find the problem any faster. Test failures for the wrong output occur just as often as test failures for errors, on exactly the same few days each year. The API change gives no advantage for the specific function this discussion started with in this regard. However, an approach that avoids inconsistency will, because in this particular instance, that is the real source of the problem. That is all.

In that context—the one you started with—it does not matter that there is often good reason to call Date() without arguments. The getMonthName function presented, effectively an array lookup, should produce the same output for any given input every time. It has no reason to engage in any behaviour that varies from day to day.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting the current date.

Bluntly, the code you presented fails precisely because it gets the current date where it should create a more specific one, and then fails to deal with that variation appropriately. You can keep distracting yourself with language design decisions, but that won’t help you avoid this particular type of problem in the future because that’s not where it is.

Getting the current date is often fine. In this specific instance, it is not. That is why the function doesn’t work. If you are missing that point, as much as I appreciate your enthusiasm in continuing the conversation, I will take the L (and the code that actually works) and move on.

Yes, and I’ve said that I agree with that in general. I know that this isn’t hypothetical; that’s exactly why I keep saying that throwing an error doesn’t help you find this bug early at all.

Even the silent weirdness can be caught by the most basic of tests checking output against input, but only if your function works the same way on every invocation.

Whether making a giant fuss (as you’d prefer) or making the best of it (as it actually does), the setMonth method always works the same way. My code always works the same way. The setDate suggestion makes the code always work the same way.

Code that always works the same way is easy to test.

If the day of the month is constant and incompatible with setMonth, whether there’s a thrown error or just an unwanted return value, a simple test will reveal that on every test run. If the day of the month is constant and always compatible with setMonth, the test will pass appropriately on every test run.

The bug in the code you originally presented comes from working differently over time. That’s why, most days, tests won’t identify the problem, even with a fussy, noisy API. Most testing days, the date will just happen to be compatible, and even the fussiest, noisiest API will carry on without any mention of the problem.

The reason the original code works differently over time has nothing to do with the silent, unexpected behaviour of setMonth. It’s entirely down to calling Date() without arguments, the entire point of which is to give different values over time. That call effectively introduces state that is not controlled by the function. And not bringing it under control is the real source of the bug.

Yes, absolutely, JavaScript sucks. Make F# the only supported web scripting language! But JavaScript’s suckiness is not the cause of this particular bug. JavaScript’s suckiness is not the reason this bug is hard to catch. The real problem lies in code that functions differently over time when it should (and could easily) be consistent. That’s what actually makes it hard to test.

Plenty of other languages and API design choices still allow code that functions that work differently over time, which is why, as justifiable as the complaints are in general, those factors are irrelevant for this particular bug. Write code that always works the same way and the problem goes away. That’s the real core of the issue.

Obviously, that’s easier said than done, and it’s irritating that neither loud errors nor most testing will help you in this regard, but that’s the way it is.

I agree with you that errors are useful feedback for coders who don’t know the ins and outs of an API. And every programmer is in that group at some point. But the difficulty in identifying this particular bug doesn’t stem from the API decisions.

Whether Dates throw an error, or work with what they’re given, has no bearing on the subtlety of this bug. Either way, tests that don’t replace Date will fail to identify it most of the time, and tests that do, based on its use within the function, would be called wrong-headed by many.

Either way, the bug only shows up at the end of months longer than the target month, and that infrequency has nothing to do with the peculiar design choices of the Date API. It stems exclusively from the evaluation of Date() called with no arguments returning different values at different times—behaviour you have not objected to, and which I’d expect to be considered entirely appropriate, in fact its very point—combined with an attempt to use that value, whatever it may be, without due consideration.

Since the month is the only part of interest, there’s no reason to allow the other parts to vary at all. Fixing them, as I suggested at the beginning of all this, is the simplest approach, but setting them first, as has also been suggested, would work too.

You can once again complain about JS design decisions and I’ll agree about many of them, but, as much as you might like it to be, and as annoying as so many of us think they often are, here it is beside the point. The perniciousness of this particular bug stems from unnecessarily calling a function with inconsistent output and then improperly processing that, instead of using a function call with always-predictable output.

I’ve tried to point that out in all the ways I can think of, so if it’s still not getting through, I give up. And if your acknowledgement was too subtle for my sleepy brain, and I’ve ended up overexplaining, then I’m sorry.

I was taught that side effects are not so one-sided, and that changing output in response to outside state (such as the date) is also a side effect, a side effect on the function, rather than a side effect of the function, but I’m happy to use other definitions so long as they’re commonly understood.

As I said before, though, even if JavaScript did throw an error as you’d prefer, it would still allow your function to have date-based problems. They’d be a bit noisier perhaps but no less present, and just as “well it’s worked fine so far”. And that’s because, as I keep saying, the real problem here is using a function with inconsistent output and not thoroughly dealing with the possibilities. An API change wouldn’t alter that. Most of the time it would still let you write bad code.

I also probably agree with you that errors are generally better than silence in response to bad input but, as someone else has said (more or less) it’s not always unreasonable to consider “31st [Month]” as 31 days after the end of [Previous Month]. Without throwing errors, this flexibility is possible. Perhaps the creators believed having to mutate the day-of-month first was an acceptable trade-off for that.

You’ve replied while I was editing, so see that regarding what I mean by side effects.

As far as throwing an error when you try to create “31st February”, this wouldn’t actually help much, since the error would still only occur on some days of the year, because your original code doesn’t account for the range of outputs from Date() when called without arguments.

To perform correctly, your code needs to normalise the day of the month, or just create the date more explicitly to begin with, but this is a calendrical issue, not a JavaScript one.

The rake has nothing to do with JS (which I agree is cursed, but for its own reasons, not this).

You have called a function in a way that does not give a consistent value (Date()). Such functions are hardly the preserve of JavaScript. You’ve failed to adequately deal with the range of values produced, with code that tries to insist that the “31st February” can be a meaningful date in February. You should accept that this is your mistake and learn to (better) avoid side effects where possible.

Also, the function isn’t side effecty since it doesn’t make implicit references outside its scope.

Edit responding to your edit:

Also, the function isn’t side effecty since it doesn’t make implicit references outside its scope.

The Date() function’s output varies according to something other than its input (and even the rest of your program). Using its output without accounting for that variation means that your function, as originally written, also gives inconsistent return values, varying according to something other than its input, because it does, in fact, reference something outside the function. If it did not, the results would only depend on the monthNumber argument, and would always be consistent. I don’t know what you call that, but I view it as a side effect.

As you have said, the rake is that months have different lengths, and you need to account for that. But that’s not one of JavaScript’s many issues.

You want to create the date “31st February”, but it’s JavaScript that’s cursed?

Write a less side-effecty function.

function getMonthName(monthNumber) {
    const date = new Date(2023, monthNumber - 1, 1);
    return date.toLocaleString([], { month: 'long' });
}

It’s an event that tells an oppressed group to know their place, and reminds everyone that any attempt to turn the tables on the ruling class will result in a showily horrific punishment. What could possibly be more British?

I was thinking more historical figure or fictional character (Austen novels are full of Miss Morland, Miss Fairfax, etc) rather than someone you know personally for existing names to adopt. I agree it’d be weird to use one of those unless it was offered to you.

I’ve known a “Marks”, which you might be able to pass off as coincidence should the similarity to “Marx” arise, at least with people who don’t know you’ve changed your name.

After getting the lightning-strike timing wrong, Marty McFly has waited decades to finally prove that the “kids are going to love it”.

it would be weird of me to pick a last name based in a culture that I’m not from

So you’ve already ruled out Stalin and Kim then?

Historically, surnames have come from parents’ names (double points to Alicia O’Shea Petersen), trades (Cooper, Sawyer, Shepherd, etc), places (Newton, da Vinci), and seemingly random things (Green, Rose, Windlass).

If you also like puns, you could be “Miss Wright”, a “worker” trades surname that may also reflect how you feel about yourself. Children have often taken the names of adoptive parents, so you might also adopt a name from someone inspiring that you’d like to feel more connected to. Or you could start an entirely new family name and just make something up.

Their physiology is barely diverged so their intellects are likely to remain similar. Espionage is frequently the theme of Romulan encounters, which would help keep them up to date. And if they procreate more frequently than every seven years, they might have a much larger population even with greater murderousness, with more people being advantageous for tech development.

Here’s how you can do it while only ever dividing or multiplying by two.

Decimal to quaternary

This is a cycle of looking at remainders from dividing by two, with the first one an odd-even determinant, and the second a big-little determinant for each quaternary digit. You make numbers even before dividing by two, so there are never fractions to consider.

1. Is the decimal number even? If yes, remember that you’ll have an even quaternary digit (0 or 2). If the decimal number is odd, subtract one from the decimal number, and remember that you’ll have an odd quaternary digit (1 or 3).
2. Divide the decimal number (having subtracted 1 if odd) by two. This gives you an intermediate number.
3. Is the intermediate number even? If yes, your quaternary digit is the lesser of the possibilities (0 or 1). If the intermediate number is odd, subtract one from the intermediate, and your quaternary digit is the greater of the possibilities (2 or 3). Write the quaternary digit down.
4. Divide the intermediate number (having subtracted 1 if odd) by two. This gives you a new decimal number for the next round.
5. Repeat from step 1 unless the new decimal number is less than 4, at which point it becomes the final (left-most) quaternary digit. New quaternary digits go the left of previous ones.

Example

Decimal number is 57₁₀.

1. 57 is odd so the quaternary digit will be odd (1 or 3). Subtracting 1 gives 56.
2. 56 divided by 2 is 28 for the intermediate number.
3. 28 is even so the quaternary digit is the lesser possibility for an odd digit, i.e., 1. Write down 1.
4. 28 divided by 2 is 14 for the new decimal number.

Next round:—

1. 14 is even, so the quaternary digit will be even (0 or 2).
2. 14 divided by 2 is 7 for the intermediate number.
3. 7 is odd, so the quaternary digit is the greater possibility for an even digit, i.e., 2. Write down 2 to the left of the previous quaternary digit. Subtract 1 from the odd intermediate number (7 - 1 = 6).
4. 6 divided by 2 is 3 for the new decimal number.

Final digit:—

1. 3 is less than 4, so write it down as the last quaternary digit, to the left of the previous one.

That process gives 57₁₀ = 321₄; that is, 3 sixteens, 2 fours and 1.

Quaternary to decimal

Here you only need to add a small number and then double twice with each digit.

1. Start with 0 as your running total.
2. Add the left-most quaternary digit, then ignore that digit for subsequent rounds.
3. Multiply the new total by 4. You can multiply by 2 twice if you prefer.
4. Repeat from step 2 using the next quaternary digit unless it is the last (right-most) digit.
5. Add the final quaternary digit to the running total. This is your decimal number.

Example

Quaternary number is 321₄.

1. Running total starts at 0.
2. Adding 3 makes 3.
3. 3 times 4 is 12.

Next round:—

2. Adding 2 to 12 makes 14.
3. 14 times 2 twice is 28, then 56.

Final digit:—

5. Adding the final digit (1) to the running total (56) gives 57 as the decimal number.

So 321₄ = 57₁₀.

It’s a Klingon moon that’s doing just fine.

I remember having to pause the video after that second bit. The piled-on criticisms, so matter-of-factly delivered, needed some recovery time. Your assessment is spot on.

What I know mostly comes from the Folding Ideas video about him.

Anyone who would judge you for that isn’t worth pretending for. Look stupid. It’s fine.

It’s bad enough when student ‘conservatives’ play this “I am the master debater” game (with the most bad-faith approach, and without any understanding of real debate) but, when they’re in their thirties, it’s even more pathetic.

They forgot the far-left-wing academics in that line.

It’s a line of countries. Is this idiot saying we should get a homeland of our own? Who do we get to kick out of their homes?