I find people shitting on neurallink a little silly. Animals die in animal trials, and if the device was the direct cause for them dying the device would not have been approved to move on to human trials. Or it was the device causing issues, the issues have since been resolved, because that’s what animal trials are for if you weren’t aware.
Bottom line is if the device is successful as they want it to be, it’ll be fantastic for people with crippling disabilities. Shit on musk all you want for the shity things he directly does and says, but I find it stupid and childish how everyone trashes everything he has an ounce of attachment too.
Same thing with SpaceX, they are the most revolutionary company for space travel in the past 50 years and are doing amazing things to advance human space flight capabilities, but people just want to shit on them because of musk.
Animal trials are important in medicine and science as a whole, and casualties happen. We have ethics standard to minimize suffering and loss. Especially when doing primate trials. They are generally treated as humans would be in an emergency experimental procedures. If you lose a few, it’s acceptable, so long as suffering was suppressed, and all reasonable avenues to save the animal were explored. Also, primates are hella expensive, so you generally can’t afford to kill them on a whim.
No, animal trials aren’t the problem. It’s that the company basically disregarded these practices. Last I heard (and this was last year), they burned through 15+ primates out of 23 test subjects. These creatures suffered fungal and bacterial infection, were left to tug at the implant leads causing damage to their tissue and the device, had the device fail during implantation and had broken pieces lodged in the primate brain for over a week before deciding to euthanize. Absolute carelessness, and disrespect for these poor creatures.
The product obviously works, do you all think the FDA would let them put a device into a human that only killed the animals and showed no positive results? This device is already in it’s first human subject, the FDA isn’t as lax as you seem to think.
Maybe you’re right and the first human subject will die though, I guess we will have to wait and see. Hopefully you’re wrong or that sucks for them.
The product obviously works, do you all think the FDA would let them put a device into a human that only killed the animals and showed no positive results?
Yes. The FDA can be bought just like all other government agencies. We are living in a late stage capitalist hellscape and Elon is one of the richest people on the planet. You need to realize that we don’t live in a just world. Bad things often do happen to good people, and bad people often get away Scot free. Mark my words: the first test subject will die, and Elon will refuse to admit that there is anything wrong with his product and blame the victim.
Lol, okay well yes the first subject definitely will die someday. Only time will tell what causes their death. Although brain implants of a similar but significantly more invasive type already exist in humans, I actually think this will be a safer product once flushed out compared to what’s already available. I really think you all are over blowing the corruption level of the FDA, no I don’t think they approved a device for testing that they thought would likely kill the first human patients.
Also, you know who hates musk as much as you guys? Joe Biden, who also appointed the current head of the FDA. They aren’t that corrupt and especially not for any of elons companies.
I’ll check back in a few years if I remember to say I’m right if the persons not dead, yes I am that petty. Feel free to do the same to me if they die, although bragging about that is a bit more grim.
Gwynne Shotwell needs far far more recognition regarding the success of SpaceX. Musk could do the song and dance and get the attention but without her they’d just be making really expensive tubes.
I don’t know how much she was involved in ruthlessly squeezing every once of brilliance from the engineering team, and there’s the whole Ukraine drone thing, but it wasn’t musk that landed those rockets.
I’m well aware and that’s why I have the opinion I stated above, the engineers at these companies are working on incredible things. These engineers are the modern day equivalent of magicians, it’s magical and humanity should be cheering them on.
Oh yeah i understood ya, i was backing up what you were saying and kinda just wanted to give Shotwell a shout-out for anyone that doesn’t know about her role there. :)
The problem I have with implanting tech in your brain is support lifecycles? What happens when some vendor refuses to update a firmware blob and now you are faced with surgery to upgrade? Not a hypothetical, this has already happened. Relevant Link
Right, that’s a big risk. I guess the hope would be that once a company is successful enough they will get to the “too big to fail” stage. Or there is some kind of legislation on what a company has to do to support old customers if they stop operating
If you think three wires sending an electrical current through your mid brain is going to work for anything other than seizures or scientific curiosity, at least in this millennium, I’m not surprised you think it’s successful.
You deserve to be shat on given you posted this absolutely shitty misinformation while using it as evidence that you are correct. Go fuck yourself, the neuralink is being developed in an absolutely fucking barbaric setting.
The SpaceX stuff is correct, just you deserve to test a beta neuralink since you seem to like them so much.
I find people shitting on neurallink a little silly. Animals die in animal trials, and if the device was the direct cause for them dying the device would not have been approved to move on to human trials. Or it was the device causing issues, the issues have since been resolved, because that’s what animal trials are for if you weren’t aware.
Bottom line is if the device is successful as they want it to be, it’ll be fantastic for people with crippling disabilities. Shit on musk all you want for the shity things he directly does and says, but I find it stupid and childish how everyone trashes everything he has an ounce of attachment too.
Same thing with SpaceX, they are the most revolutionary company for space travel in the past 50 years and are doing amazing things to advance human space flight capabilities, but people just want to shit on them because of musk.
But that’s just like my opinion man
Animal trials are important in medicine and science as a whole, and casualties happen. We have ethics standard to minimize suffering and loss. Especially when doing primate trials. They are generally treated as humans would be in an emergency experimental procedures. If you lose a few, it’s acceptable, so long as suffering was suppressed, and all reasonable avenues to save the animal were explored. Also, primates are hella expensive, so you generally can’t afford to kill them on a whim.
No, animal trials aren’t the problem. It’s that the company basically disregarded these practices. Last I heard (and this was last year), they burned through 15+ primates out of 23 test subjects. These creatures suffered fungal and bacterial infection, were left to tug at the implant leads causing damage to their tissue and the device, had the device fail during implantation and had broken pieces lodged in the primate brain for over a week before deciding to euthanize. Absolute carelessness, and disrespect for these poor creatures.
These are all very fair complaints
That’s exactly the problem. The animal trials didn’t show any positive results. Those apes died for nothing. The product doesn’t fucking work.
The product obviously works, do you all think the FDA would let them put a device into a human that only killed the animals and showed no positive results? This device is already in it’s first human subject, the FDA isn’t as lax as you seem to think.
Maybe you’re right and the first human subject will die though, I guess we will have to wait and see. Hopefully you’re wrong or that sucks for them.
Yes. The FDA can be bought just like all other government agencies. We are living in a late stage capitalist hellscape and Elon is one of the richest people on the planet. You need to realize that we don’t live in a just world. Bad things often do happen to good people, and bad people often get away Scot free. Mark my words: the first test subject will die, and Elon will refuse to admit that there is anything wrong with his product and blame the victim.
Lol, okay well yes the first subject definitely will die someday. Only time will tell what causes their death. Although brain implants of a similar but significantly more invasive type already exist in humans, I actually think this will be a safer product once flushed out compared to what’s already available. I really think you all are over blowing the corruption level of the FDA, no I don’t think they approved a device for testing that they thought would likely kill the first human patients.
Also, you know who hates musk as much as you guys? Joe Biden, who also appointed the current head of the FDA. They aren’t that corrupt and especially not for any of elons companies.
I’ll check back in a few years if I remember to say I’m right if the persons not dead, yes I am that petty. Feel free to do the same to me if they die, although bragging about that is a bit more grim.
Hey moron, just wanted to to drop in and link you this update. He’s definitely not dead, and seems to be doing really well with his new brain control powers. https://x.com/neuralink/status/1770563939413496146?s=20
Gwynne Shotwell needs far far more recognition regarding the success of SpaceX. Musk could do the song and dance and get the attention but without her they’d just be making really expensive tubes.
I don’t know how much she was involved in ruthlessly squeezing every once of brilliance from the engineering team, and there’s the whole Ukraine drone thing, but it wasn’t musk that landed those rockets.
I’m well aware and that’s why I have the opinion I stated above, the engineers at these companies are working on incredible things. These engineers are the modern day equivalent of magicians, it’s magical and humanity should be cheering them on.
Oh yeah i understood ya, i was backing up what you were saying and kinda just wanted to give Shotwell a shout-out for anyone that doesn’t know about her role there. :)
The problem I have with implanting tech in your brain is support lifecycles? What happens when some vendor refuses to update a firmware blob and now you are faced with surgery to upgrade? Not a hypothetical, this has already happened. Relevant Link
Right, that’s a big risk. I guess the hope would be that once a company is successful enough they will get to the “too big to fail” stage. Or there is some kind of legislation on what a company has to do to support old customers if they stop operating
If you think three wires sending an electrical current through your mid brain is going to work for anything other than seizures or scientific curiosity, at least in this millennium, I’m not surprised you think it’s successful.
You deserve to be shat on given you posted this absolutely shitty misinformation while using it as evidence that you are correct. Go fuck yourself, the neuralink is being developed in an absolutely fucking barbaric setting.
The SpaceX stuff is correct, just you deserve to test a beta neuralink since you seem to like them so much.