You glow very bright mate, like an angler fish in abyssal depths.
No gulags, remember.
Why? No country that wants to secure its existence would allow dangerous political opponents, saboteurs, spies and criminals to roam free. A MI6 agent would know that, right? Are you going to complain about the Red Army existing next?
Gulag is a Tsarist invention, and mortality in its camps in the USSR was low except for WW2 years - go look at French Labour Camps before crying about evil bolsheviks. People in gulag camps were paid salaries, had doctors and a certain snitch writer (Solzhenitsyn) was even cured of cancer there.
For your reference, gulag stands for “main management of (work correction) camps”. There is no plural “gulags”. And believe it or not, not everyone was sent to SIberia. Transporting people there is expensive.
And since you hate forced labor soooo much, I take it that you’re not a big fan of the slave trade either, in which the brits happily engaged?
Let me state here that I’ve seen real life communism with my own eyes. A loved one of mine died because a Soviet style medical committee didn’t want to contradict their alumni, so I couldn’t get an investigation started. etc etc
Please piss off. Most impoverished people in my country rely on remnants of Soviet healthcare to survive, because they wouldn’t be able to afford overpriced privatized healthcare. A babushka can’t get shots or a surgery at a private clinic, believe it or not.
And why are you not crying the inefficiency of the capitalist system, which puts profits above lives of diabetics, for example? lMao.
You’ve at most seen socialism. When communism will be built, people will be educated and your level of ignorance will not exist en masse.
My main problem with far left as a opposition to capitalism is general lack of concrete ways to achieve claimed moral goals.
If revolutionary masses had no ways of achieving their goals, you wouldn’t be seething about their supposed excesses on the internet.
P.S. If your goal is to write nonsense and get people to waste their time responding to it, you’ve succeeded - congratulations.
Yeah, mate, go on vilifying me while openly promoting violation of human rights. When millions of your own people tortured, worked to death, and sent to frontlines to die in a useless cause, don’t forget to blame it on me, random stranger on the internet expressing his concerns.
Transporting people there is expensive.
Heard of trains, haven’t you? Also why waste space leaving trains empty on the way back from delivering raw materials, let’s put all the political opposition there.
People rely on remnants of Soviet healthcare to survive, because they wouldn’t be able to afford overpriced privatized healthcare
You should also remember that the people cannot do anything if stuff goes wrong. A nurse puts a bubble into Babushka’s vein, Babushka dies, the clinic protects the nurse, family receives nothing, not even investigation. Drunk therapist kills a patient? No one bats an eye. Intern mixes viles leading to life alterating injuries, it’s fine. I can go on and on how corrupt and dangerous those medical facilities in fact are but the people got no choice either way. Don’t forget who sends the Babushkas pension checks so they cannot afford any second opinion, you’d like them to have all the power, don’t you?
And why are you not crying the inefficiency of the capitalist system, which puts profits above lives of diabetics, for example?
I do, I do open issues and I do work with poor people to improve their quality of life. You apparently just choose to ignore those initiatives.
If revolutionary masses had no ways of achieving their goals, you wouldn’t be seething about their supposed excesses on the internet.
This is flawed argument, there’s no positive relation between Communists impact in achieving their goals and me being skeptical about a particular ideology. If relation exists at all, it’s negative, i.e I actually would like social aspect of communism to succeed, but I ask of Communists to illustrate outstanding quality in their work and willingness to solve problems without going full Stalin. I seek proofs of that work and I will call out the mistakes.
You’ve at most seen socialism
*sigh* how stale this argument is, Soviet Union has funneling it from its origin and yet it’s still here. How many years, Carl, how many millions of lives you’d like to take before you’ll see the communism you seek?
P.S. am not British, have no affiliation to UK, I do not benefit from UK nor intend to in the future, so don’t waste your breath trying to accuse me in bootlicking. Believe it or not, I support calm listing the past injustices (thanks to @AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml for sharing the links) so they may be payed back in the future, but this meme ain’t it, chief
Yeah, mate, go on vilifying me while openly promoting violation of human rights. When millions of your own people tortured, worked to death, and sent to frontlines to die in a useless cause, don’t forget to blame it on me, random stranger on the internet expressing his concerns.
Soviet people faced the Nazi Germany in a war of annihilation, where the existence of millions upon millions of people was at stake, due to Nazis wanting to use that space as Lebensraum, and the people as cattle. Please don’t denigrate millions of martyrs.
I’m not going to respond to you if you’re unwilling to go through the effort of freeing yourself from neoliberal propaganda spread by entities which would have been extremely overjoyed if Nazi won WW2 instead. Read a fucking book, and at least learn to troll in a less blatant manner
Heard of trains, haven’t you? Also why waste space leaving trains empty on the way back from delivering raw materials, let’s put all the political opposition there.
Yes, I’m talking precisely about train transportation being expensive, dummy. Believe it or not, the trip to Siberia eats up a lot of fuel and also takes a long time, during which people need to be fed, and looked at by doctors so they’re not dead before arriving to work in camps.
(P.S. if you’re unaware, you can’t put people in random freight wagons. Russians had special railway wagons for transporting prisoners since before Revolution, and you can’t just put prisoners in one place w/ each other…)
Not to mention that some camps could had been reached only by water paths, like rivers or seas, which by specific geographic position are frozen for the most of an year.
You’re the one who suggested they died for a useless cause, disrespecting their sacrifice.
Have you ever read their war diaries? These people stood and fought for their convictions, don’t reduce their bravery to what you’ve come to interpret as fear of death.
Oh, right, you can’t read their war diaries because you’re a fucking anglo.
Keep believing bullshit about “half of the country was in prison, half was guarding them”, “human waves”, “those who retreated got shot!!111”. Utterly infantile. You’ve not read anything, you don’t know the language, you don’t respect history and expect to be taken seriously.
I don’t care about you or the debate, I only care about you disrespecting the legacy of the past, which is a miserable sight. Go die in a hole. Reported and blocked.
P.S. That was an impressive trolling effort! They actually knew the language! I was sent some message in Russian, but responding is a waste of time lol.
sigh how stale this argument is, Soviet Union has funneling it from its origin and yet it’s still here. How many years, Carl, how many millions of lives you’d like to take before you’ll see the communism you seek?
You glow very bright mate, like an angler fish in abyssal depths.
Why? No country that wants to secure its existence would allow dangerous political opponents, saboteurs, spies and criminals to roam free. A MI6 agent would know that, right? Are you going to complain about the Red Army existing next?
Gulag is a Tsarist invention, and mortality in its camps in the USSR was low except for WW2 years - go look at French Labour Camps before crying about evil bolsheviks. People in gulag camps were paid salaries, had doctors and a certain snitch writer (Solzhenitsyn) was even cured of cancer there.
For your reference, gulag stands for “main management of (work correction) camps”. There is no plural “gulags”. And believe it or not, not everyone was sent to SIberia. Transporting people there is expensive.
And since you hate forced labor soooo much, I take it that you’re not a big fan of the slave trade either, in which the brits happily engaged?
Please piss off. Most impoverished people in my country rely on remnants of Soviet healthcare to survive, because they wouldn’t be able to afford overpriced privatized healthcare. A babushka can’t get shots or a surgery at a private clinic, believe it or not.
And why are you not crying the inefficiency of the capitalist system, which puts profits above lives of diabetics, for example? lMao.
You’ve at most seen socialism. When communism will be built, people will be educated and your level of ignorance will not exist en masse.
If revolutionary masses had no ways of achieving their goals, you wouldn’t be seething about their supposed excesses on the internet.
P.S. If your goal is to write nonsense and get people to waste their time responding to it, you’ve succeeded - congratulations.
Yeah, mate, go on vilifying me while openly promoting violation of human rights. When millions of your own people tortured, worked to death, and sent to frontlines to die in a useless cause, don’t forget to blame it on me, random stranger on the internet expressing his concerns.
Heard of trains, haven’t you? Also why waste space leaving trains empty on the way back from delivering raw materials, let’s put all the political opposition there.
You should also remember that the people cannot do anything if stuff goes wrong. A nurse puts a bubble into Babushka’s vein, Babushka dies, the clinic protects the nurse, family receives nothing, not even investigation. Drunk therapist kills a patient? No one bats an eye. Intern mixes viles leading to life alterating injuries, it’s fine. I can go on and on how corrupt and dangerous those medical facilities in fact are but the people got no choice either way. Don’t forget who sends the Babushkas pension checks so they cannot afford any second opinion, you’d like them to have all the power, don’t you?
I do, I do open issues and I do work with poor people to improve their quality of life. You apparently just choose to ignore those initiatives.
This is flawed argument, there’s no positive relation between Communists impact in achieving their goals and me being skeptical about a particular ideology. If relation exists at all, it’s negative, i.e I actually would like social aspect of communism to succeed, but I ask of Communists to illustrate outstanding quality in their work and willingness to solve problems without going full Stalin. I seek proofs of that work and I will call out the mistakes.
*sigh* how stale this argument is, Soviet Union has funneling it from its origin and yet it’s still here. How many years, Carl, how many millions of lives you’d like to take before you’ll see the communism you seek?
P.S. am not British, have no affiliation to UK, I do not benefit from UK nor intend to in the future, so don’t waste your breath trying to accuse me in bootlicking. Believe it or not, I support calm listing the past injustices (thanks to @AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml for sharing the links) so they may be payed back in the future, but this meme ain’t it, chief
Soviet people faced the Nazi Germany in a war of annihilation, where the existence of millions upon millions of people was at stake, due to Nazis wanting to use that space as Lebensraum, and the people as cattle. Please don’t denigrate millions of martyrs.
I’m not going to respond to you if you’re unwilling to go through the effort of freeing yourself from neoliberal propaganda spread by entities which would have been extremely overjoyed if Nazi won WW2 instead. Read a fucking book, and at least learn to troll in a less blatant manner
Yes, I’m talking precisely about train transportation being expensive, dummy. Believe it or not, the trip to Siberia eats up a lot of fuel and also takes a long time, during which people need to be fed, and looked at by doctors so they’re not dead before arriving to work in camps.
(P.S. if you’re unaware, you can’t put people in random freight wagons. Russians had special railway wagons for transporting prisoners since before Revolution, and you can’t just put prisoners in one place w/ each other…)
Not to mention that some camps could had been reached only by water paths, like rivers or seas, which by specific geographic position are frozen for the most of an year.
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You’re the one who suggested they died for a useless cause, disrespecting their sacrifice.
Have you ever read their war diaries? These people stood and fought for their convictions, don’t reduce their bravery to what you’ve come to interpret as fear of death.
Oh, right, you can’t read their war diaries because you’re a fucking anglo.
Keep believing bullshit about “half of the country was in prison, half was guarding them”, “human waves”, “those who retreated got shot!!111”. Utterly infantile. You’ve not read anything, you don’t know the language, you don’t respect history and expect to be taken seriously.
I don’t care about you or the debate, I only care about you disrespecting the legacy of the past, which is a miserable sight. Go die in a hole. Reported and blocked.
P.S. That was an impressive trolling effort! They actually knew the language! I was sent some message in Russian, but responding is a waste of time lol.
As many as it takes