Europe will lose all credibility if Russia wins in Ukraine, warns Macron
www.telegraph.co.uk
French president invokes Winston Churchill’s call to maintain the ‘sinews of peace’ in a prime-time interview on his stance on the conflict

Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/10013170

The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

  • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    81·
    8 months ago

    how does that change the credibility of Europe except for showing that maybe help was not large enough

    I think that’s exactly it tbh. The amount of decent hardware delivered hasn’t been even nearly enough and the ramp up of artillery production has been shamefully slow. Why is Ukraine being heavily outgunned with the collective might of the West behind it?

    We should have given Ukraine everything they needed on day one. It’s so painfully obvious that if they lose we’re all going to war. All of us.

    The appeasement attempted by not giving the really good kit and honestly fuck all air defence (the US has something like 1100 patriot systems) was utter folly.

    “Oh, we’d better not escalate”. FUCK. THAT. He tried hard to take Kyiv and kill Zelensky and only absolutely laughable logistics prevented it. That goal is still there.

    Putin’s “logic” for Ukraine being part of Russia already applies to the Baltics. If Ukraine falls, he’ll bide his time, rebuild with their new war economy then trundle into all 3 of them via Kaliningrad, Northwest Russia and Belarus all while claiming that if anyone sets foot in Kaliningrad he’ll press the red button causing untold pearl clutching in the West. Unless NATO has significantly built up their presence in the Baltics, they will fall and he’ll lob in a load of defensive positions before you have time to take a piss then be off down south towards what he probably sees as “softer” targets in Moldova, Slovakia etc.

    • lad@programming.devEnglish
      41·
      8 months ago

      We should have given Ukraine everything they needed on day one

      In that case the credibility of Europe is long gone because nothing will change the history of how poor the response was. Well, except for writing history books about how Ukraine only prevailed because of Europe’s immediate and plentiful help, but those will take some time to overwrite what people actually saw

      • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        8 months ago

        Yeah, I fully agree. The dithering response has already done untold damage to future credibility.