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      • yuli [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        i’m honestly not sure if the us had an active role in this, nor do i think the us would necessarily warn their own citizens if they did. but i am curious how strong us signal intelligence is within russia. did these terrorists operate from within russia and was the us able to pick up on their activity there? did they operate from within ukraine, where us intelligence has far better access? did they eavesdrop on fsb activity? something else entirely?

        just saw while typing this that islamic state claimed responsibility, i have no clue where this is going tbh

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          re: isis

          in the news mega, there’s a telegram post using the cyrillic alphabet saying that isis hasn’t used that template in years and thus it is a fake, though cnn is running it as real so

          edit: here’s the thread i was referencing careful if you go digging into that megathread as there is a lot of CONTENT WARNING videos in there right now that you absolutely do not have to see

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          Corruption was rife after the fall of the USSR. Businessmen and politicians were selling their mothers for a Mercedes Benz. A lot were purged after Putin got elected, but Russia is a big country. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the US’ assets are still active. Especially after sanctions and oligarchs’ money were frozen or seized? They have many reasons to attack their own country

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            Even if you assumed that the US had absolutely nothing to do with this, having intelligence and other sharing it is absolutely it’s own complicity.

            The US used 9/11 as the pretext for two totally unrelated wars and global military actions.

            Imagine what they’d do if Russia had known about it in advance and just sent a smug tweet.

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              It’s quite possible they did share, but the Russians thought they had it handled. Afaik there was a mirror situation in 2013 with the Boston bombings, Russian intelligence knew about the terrorists and tipped off the CIA but was largely disregarded.

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        I just don’t really see how the US would benefit from this attack though. Putin might even benefit from this attack the same way G.W.B. benefited from 9/11.

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          The funding for Ukraine ($60 billion) has been stalling for a while now. Some are convinced that it’s time to pull the plug on Ukraine. The Republicans who are not in on the scheme are also furious that Biden is blatantly laundering money like that, and needed to cut that gravy train off for Biden’s donors as well.

          Biden absolutely needed to get the pump flowing again if he wants to satisfy his donors in front of the election. He needs to prove his credentials that he is fit to be the president that can deliver the treats to his donors.

          The hotter the war goes on in Europe, the less justification there is to cut Ukraine’s funding. A full-fledged Russian retaliation against Ukraine might just be what is needed to bring the votes needed to get the bill passed.

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          It gives Russia a reason to put Ukraine out of its misery and the US a reason to walk away?

          Maybe the point of the NATO escalation was to get stochastic terrorism going in Russia. Ukraine is the new Afghanistan and Ukrainian terrorists can be the new Uighers. Now the US can be relatively hands off and finger wag about Russians violating the precious rights of a bunch of nazis.