• HMH@lemmy.mlOP
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    3 years ago

    The study you linked does not even mention long covid, it merely analyzes all cause mortality and can’t even link SARS-CoV-2 directly to increased mortality. Not to mention that in some countries life expectancy increased despite the pandemic.

    Nevertheless, the decomposition analysis of the life expectancy losses in these four countries reveals particularly large contributions to the reduction of life expectancy from increases in mortality at ages younger than 65 years in the US. However, our analyses were not able to identify whether these excess deaths were directly caused by SARS-CoV-2 or were related to other causes of deaths.

    In contrast, a gain in life expectancy was observed in New Zealand (0.66, 0.41 to 0.89) and Taiwan (0.35, 0.14 to 0.54); no evidence was found of a change in life expectancy in South Korea (0.11, −0.09 to 0.30), Norway (0.07, −0.03 to 0.17), or Denmark (−0.09, −0.24 to 0.06) (fig 3).

    You implied that catching COVID several times is the cause of this. That’s why I asked what you meant regarding the drop in life expectancy.

    If you’d like to see these studies, what has stopped you from looking for them?

    Finding studies like the one you linked is not a problem, but that’s not what I have been asking about.

    So I ask again: Is there any actual evidence for long covid or repeatedly catching covid to considerably reduce life expectancy? These are the studies I can not find.

    Regarding my education, if you are concerned about me having studied maths and physics for just a month and then decided to drop out: I can assure you this is not the case, I have finished my thesis for physics and am writing the one for mathematics at the moment.

    If you said to a doctor “I think COVID-19 isn’t that serious anymore and we should drop the mandates”, and the doctor asked you “are you a doctor? are you a nurse? do you have any background in medicine or science?”, can you see why any of those questions are quite relevant to the discussion as it pertains to credentials that have an impact on how likely it is that you know what you’re talking about? That is the point I’m trying to make when I ask about your educational background.

    That depends on context. If I am a politician and do not want to discuss the details, of course I will ask experts and leave it at that. But as a politician I also need to be careful what I ask and who I ask. For example if I (as politician) ask a doctor: I’d like to free the population of the cold, what do I do? I might get a response like: Well, you could wear masks all year and do self isolation apart from things absolutely necessary to survive. This is obviously the wrong question to ask. Another important questions would be: How are those mandates going to affect the economic or the quality of life of the population? Now a doctor is the wrong person to ask.

    If on the other hand, the discussion is meant to go into detail, what matters is facts and connecting them logically. I am more likely to miss something as I am not a domain expert, but this does not mean I should be banned from discussions and it also does not mean I am automatically wrong because I do not agree with what you call “most experts”.

    Looking at the facts yourself is in my opinion especially important as all science around the pandemic has been politicized and there is a lot of outside pressure. It would definitely not be the first time that science has been misrepresented to push a certain political or economical agenda.