As the title says. I am willing to moderate it if need be, but I suppose there is better comrades out there for that job.
edit: also if ‘eugene’ style memes can get banned there for being “”“tankie adjacent”“” we need a piracy comm on Hexbear.
Isn’t this “celebration” premature?
Yah, this makes me sad. I don’t understand some of the stuff that goes on in this instance (and I’ve never listened to Chapo) buuuuut there’s some based-ass sub…lemmies here.
Are y’all federated with furry shit? I don’t want to switch to my other account but whatevz, I could manage.
I think the big furry instances preemptively defederated us for being tankies or whatever
We do have this though: https://hexbear.net/c/furry
I was never a Chapo listener, and 1) the Hexbear consensus is that Chapo isn’t what it used to be anyway, and 2) Hexbear isn’t really very dirtbag in their leftism these days, and if it ever was that was before my time.
I can’t speak to furry whatevers, you’ll have to see for yourself. I think there are way more instances defederated from Hexbear than the other way around.
I’m not entirely sure how federation even works. If y’all defed, I’ll stop seeing yer posts, right?
That’s the long and short of it, yes. You’d stop seeing our communities, posts, votes, and comment threads, meaning our comments and everyone’s replies to those comments.
how is it not dirtbag? I’ve seen people get very aggro when talking to libs and rightwingers from other instances
I’m not getting into some nerd-ass struggle session about the Merriam-Webster definition of dirtbag,
.guilty as charged, i joined from the blahaj zone instance after the defederation drama and have never really been into the local culture :|
There are a lot of inside jokes and it can take a while to calibrate one’s Poe’s Law-dar.
I always thought the “dirtbag” in “dirtbag leftist” referred more to the use of slurs and bigoted/ablesist/etc language and less about the aggressiveness in their comments.
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not a celebration, but yeah a little premature. i still think a piracy comm is a good idea regardless of federation or defederation though.
I can volunteer for piracy mod duty as well. Its my anarcho-duty after all
THE VOTE ISN’T EVEN OVER YET SETTLE DOWN
We really ought to do that anyway though, I’m surprised we haven’t already
Am happy to mod if wanted
Hell yeah
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It’s a weird pair of things to put together. People call open source libre specifically because they want to emphasize that it’s free as in the freedom to control what the software on your own computer does, rather than free as in you don’t pay for it (gratis). Pirating is only free in the gratis sense, not the libre one.
Free software is a vision of a non-capitalist mode of production for software* while piracy is about reclaiming stuff that was still produced under a fully capitalist system. Putting them together is like making a shared comm for cooperatives and dumpster diving.
*I could rant about the ways it fails, but a failed attempt is still an attempt.
Pirating is only free in the gratis sense, not the libre one.
We should call the piracy comm /c/gratis.
Even if it was free as in gratis I’m not sure they’d go together well - one would still be software that is designed to be used without paying, while piracy is about finding ways to use paid software without paying, which has it’s own specific methods and pitfalls.
foss is about a lot more than not paying.
It’s about trust, being able to know what software is doing. That is in the source-available part. I can never be as certain a pirated (or legitimate) binary blob isn’t secretly leaking telemetry or documents off my system, or doing anything else of the infinite things I dont want software doing.
It’s about safety, from poor decisions and hostile decisions. If my foss software is enshittifying, I can use a fork, which can be created with comparatively little effort and can still otherwise track upstream. With proprietary software I am completely fucked, and with a pirated version best I can do is continue using the old version, being locked out from any new features I do want.
It’s about security. Both in the sense of the trust benefit knowing there are no intentional backdoors, and in the bug sense where foss simply does better in identifying vulnerabilities before major malicious actors do.
Our modern world and especially proprietary software fucks you in plenty of ways, and most of them aren’t an easily visible price tag. More and more software corporations are earning most of their money from spying on or abusing the users of their software, even for paid software. This money is spent on doing things to the users they would never want, otherwise why would you need to pay? It is money they will earn back when you get denied health ensurance based on your unreleased draft of a book you were writing that chrome sent to googles servers for “virus scanning”, which the insurers ai flagged as a mental health risk indicator.
I recommend you don’t participate in the global expetiment of how much intransparent software can ruin your life.
No, piracy is not related to FOSS at all. Piracy in the sense of piracy of proprietary software is arguably detrimental to FOSS since piracy of a particular proprietary software makes people more reliant on that particular proprietary software instead of developing or adopting a FOSS alternative. This is why Microsoft doesn’t actually give that much of a shit if home users use pirated copies of Windows or Microsoft Office. In their eyes, you’re not using Linux if you’re using a pirated copy of Windows, you’re not using Libreoffice if you’re using a pirated copy of Microsoft Office, and so on.
ehhhh kinda. but libre specifically refers to free and open source software, piracy is a bit different. if you want to make a rule that
posting gets put in libre that’d be alright, but I think a dedicated piracy community would be a better option.at the end of the day, you’re a site admin with like 100000000000 times more experience than me so the choice is yours. just offering my perspective. no matter what you choose to do, i still love and appreciate all of the admins on this site!
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edit: i’m going to actually add Owl@hexbear.net 's comment here:
It’s a weird pair of things to put together. People call open source libre specifically because they want to emphasize that it’s free as in the freedom to control what the software on your own computer does, rather than free as in you don’t pay for it (gratis). Pirating is only free in the gratis sense, not the libre one.
Free software is a vision of a non-capitalist mode of production for software* while piracy is about reclaiming stuff that was still produced under a fully capitalist system. Putting them together is like making a shared comm for cooperatives and dumpster diving.
This is a perfect articulation of the way i feel about this.
I am also in agreement with owls comment, It’s called c/libre specifically for the fact that it is about the freedom, not the price. Piracy fails at being libre software since it doesn’t conform to the four freedoms
- The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
- The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
- The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
- The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
I highly doubt de-federation is going to go through. We should still have a piracy comm though.
We can call the comm /c/gratis for all our free-as-in-free-beer software needs if an explicit piracy comm is too spicy.
no need to worry about spice, but /c/gratis is a good name.
I think that’s a bad idea, would confuse people looking for piracy, also would confuse people looking for categories of free stuff that aren’t specifically piracy.
I like gratis better regardless of spice.
I‘m out of the loop. Why is it happening?
db0 and unruffled were being assholes to hexbears (db0 specifically harrassed a hexbear user in the DM’s) mainly. but also mods of c/piracy removed a meme for being “tankie adjacent” when the meme was about people who defend corporations.
ah, crap. I hope it doesn‘t happen, especially since these 2 instances share at least some ideas.
yeah i personally think that there are too many good users to defed because of two admins being total losers
Nooo I like you guys (mostly, except the loons who dog piled me once for apparently being a sock puppet of DB0) but hexbear is defedded from other instances I use.
I don’t want to have to make like 5 different account, forget which one I’m logged into, and get banned hexbear for speaking like a moderate when trying to influence libs :p
thankfully it looks like the vote isn’t gonna defed.
Hail to the benevolence of hexbear.
Seriously I’d miss you guys, I see some takes I absofuckinglutely disagree with but more that are interesting or reasonable and it’s a much better ratio than the gen pop of world/shitjust/lemee.ee who seem amazingly blind to the blood and agony that underpins the current global order.
these 2 instances share at least some ideas.
Tell that to your admins, see how it goes
I haven’t heard about the thing with db0, where did that happen?
I don’t think it is. But https://hexbear.net/post/2489084
I’m also happy to mod if need be. I’ve moderated pirate communities before and would love to do something that helps this fabulous website.
Very much not defedding lol
yeah, that’s clear now but in my opinion we still need a piracy comm
u rite
