According to sources cited in the Guardian, Sir Keir is expected to make a pledge to “recognise Palestine before the end of any peace process.”

They also claimed he would commit to ensuring such a move is not vetoed by neighbouring countries.

But Momentum slammed it as a weakening of Labour’s previous commitments.

A spokesperson said: “The manifesto Starmer stood on pledged to recognise a Palestinian state immediately. Labour reiterated this in 2022.

“Now, it’s just ‘at some point’ — this is not good enough.

“Spain, Ireland and other countries have already recognised a Palestinian state. But the Starmer leadership rows back on Labour’s policy, then gaslights Palestinians and their supporters that they have somehow advanced.”

Jewish Voice for Labour co-chairwoman Jenny Manson said: “An offer to recognise Palestinian statehood before the end of any peace process, is at the current time, with absolutely no prospect of a peace process, a non-commitment."

  • @wewbull@feddit.uk
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    45 days ago

    They know that there is more to be lost by saying something concrete and enraging a set of people during the campaign, rather than sitting uncomfortabley on the fence for a few weeks. It’s not long enough to enrage both sides completely, and losing a few more fanatical votes is a net-positive.

    It’s on every issue, not just this one. It bodes poorly for the incoming government.

    There’s no drive to act on points of principle. There’s nothing except the desire to not upset the applecart. I suspect we’re in for a government that operates “on the quiet”, not taking policies to the public but just taking action through the machinery of government. With no strong opposition I think we’ll be getting very little public scrutiny because “they know best”.

    I’m hoping the the LDs become large enough to come second and we get a new voice in opposition. I think the odds are against it though.

    • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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      Why the hell do I keep seeing positive comments about the lib dems here? Is everyone on this website too young to remember them completely folding to the Tories on literally every issue when they had a coalition in 2010?

      • @HumanPenguin@feddit.uk
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        24 days ago

        OP is rational enough to be considering the alterative.

        Your statement has no logic. As you are basically saying you prefer the tories in opposition to the lib dems. Because the lib dems helped the tories once.

        You live in a fptp system. So when you reject people voting lib dem tactically. You are openly choosing the party with most support in those constituencies. Not some wonderful utopia where you get to choose a party you agree with on everything.

        That option simply dose not exist as an option to lead the UK. Not without first changing the UK to some form of proportional system.

        Under FPTP your choice is to vote for the lesser of 2 evils or be by default voting for the greater.

        • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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          03 days ago

          “umm, akshully by not voting for biden you’re voting for trump”

          Actually fuck off, loser - you’re the illogical one claiming we just have to engage with the system harder to change things, it’ll definitely work this time even though it hasn’t for the last hundreds of years we’ve been trying. Stop sitting on your arse thinking that the special peice of paper is going to meaningfully help anyone, go outside, and burn down a polling station.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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            You’re talking the talk but are you walking the walk? Are you out actively engaging in the tactics that you’re apparently advocating? Or are you just participating in anti-electoralism/accelerationism, hoping that wins for the far-right, contrary to history, result in anything but increased suffering and mass murder?

            • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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              The far right took over 30 years ago you fucking nonce. What do you think Thatcher meant when she said Blair was her greatest achievement? We’ve never been a remotely progressive country, but neoliberalism has been draining the country dry for most of my life, and the last 5 years have especially demonstrated how the ruling parties are in no way beholden to the public despite our alleged democracy. Maybe your GCSE history teacher wasn’t very good at it, but they did explain the rise of fascism in Germany and how it doesn’t start with killing.

              If you’re not feeling too brave maybe you could start small, like spoiling your ballot, instead of giving a complete endorsement to the parties and systems that are destroying our country.

      • @wewbull@feddit.uk
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        24 days ago

        They did not “fold to the Tories on every issue”.

        For a minor coalition partner they surprisingly well at getting a number of their manifesto pledges inacted.

        • Raising of the Income Tax personal allowance from £6.5k to £10.5k
        • A £2.5 billion banking levy
        • Free school meals for infant-school children and in the first three years in primary school in England
        • Same sex marriage legislation

        …and it’s clear to see by how much damage the Tories did after 2015 how much the LDs reigned in the Tories.

        Yes, you’re going to cite the student loans. The Tories made it a choice between votes on that and a referendum on voting reform. They went with the referendum. The loans vote wasn’t even close if I recall correctly. Of course, the referendum was a sham as well.

        • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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          03 days ago

          Sorry, every the major issue then. And good reminder, they did manage to get some very minor concessions against the tidal wave of austerity they also contributed.

          Nobody gets any credit for legalising gay marriage because it took us until 2014. That should be nothing but a matter of national shame. Even the tories weren’t meaningfully opposing it.

    • frog 🐸
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      44 days ago

      I think the odds are against it though.

      I’ve been watching the odds on a couple of bookies’ websites over the last week. It helps provide an insight into what people are thinking outside of what the media reports. The Lib Dems’ odds of being the second largest party are currently 7/2, apparently, so… yeah, the odds are against them, but not so much so that the bookies are willing to risk a lot of money.

      I’m definitely hoping for the Lib Dems to become the official opposition as well. I think having a new voice in opposition would do the country a lot of good, and I like Ed Davey.

  • @HowManyNimons@lemmy.world
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    …he would commit to ensuring such a move is not vetoed by neighbouring countries.

    Does Starmer not realise that we did a Brexit a few years back, and now nobody gives a limp fuck about our foreign policy any more? Because the thing about that is, we did a Brexit a few years back, and now nobody gives a limp fuck about our foreign policy any more.

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    PEOPLE AREN’T ALLOWED TO CHANGE POSITIONS

    Really? How about the constant of a doggy style then, because an entire country is getting rammed from behind.

    Fucking neo-liberals.

    “But they are the Labour party.”

    …fucking neo-liberals. "Sovereignty for me, but not for thee hurpa durpa durp ".