He got 2000 “wrong”… Or did he?

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    When pressed about whether the questions surrounding Biden’s age and mental acuity are “fundamentally different” than his metrics as president, Lichtman doubled down.

    “Debate performances can be overcome,” he said. “At the first sign of adversity the spineless Democrats want to throw under the bus, their own incumbent president. My goodness.”

    So, he refuses to factor anything in if it doesn’t fit his system… Literally refusing to acknowledge any health concerns

    His system is this:

    Lichtman is best known for the “Keys” system, presented in his books The Thirteen Keys to the Presidency and The Keys to the White House. The system uses thirteen historical factors to predict whether the popular vote in the election for president of the United States will be won by the candidate of the party holding the presidency (regardless of whether the president is the candidate).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Lichtman

    And it doesn’t account for specific candidate…

    So by his own argument that his system can’t acknowledge a candidates fitness would come into play, logically I don’t understand why he is speaking on who the specific candidate should be.

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      4 months ago

      His hypothesis is that elections are mostly not about individuals. People vote for Team Blue or Team Red. And given the embrace by evangelicals of a criminal who has never read the bible, I think he may have a point.

      The only individual characteristic that matters is incumbency, which is why Democrats shouldn’t throw that advantage away.

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        The only individual characteristic that matters is incumbency,

        The incumbent lost in 2020. There may be other factors.

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          The only individual characteristic that matters is incumbency.

          Most other factors mostly do not depend on the individual who is running. For example, recession, military victories/losses, results of midterm elections, significant third party challenger, etc. The party can run anyone and it would not affect those points.

          However, I overlooked another individual characteristic: there is an extra point if the incumbent is a victorious military leader or has significant appeal to members of the opposing party. The only person to get that point in this century was Obama, and only in 2008.

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            The only person to get that point in this century was Obama, and only in 2008.

            The only one to win the Democratic primaries, at least.

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            4 months ago

            Since then, his signature legislation has failed to pass as intended, he’s broken a strike, he’s supported a genocide, he’s moved to the right on immigration, and he’s claimed to have defeated Medicare. He’s alienated his base and demonstrated that people who were fretting about his age might have been on to something after all.

            He beat Trump in a nail-biting squeaker of a contest in 2020, and centrists have been pretending he’s invincible ever since.

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                4 months ago

                Oh boohoo, my team didn’t win everything it wanted so I’m going to take my ball and go home.

                Your team didn’t? Did Biden not move far enough to the right for you?

                Still by far the most progressive president in my lifetime.

                I see. He really isn’t far enough to the right for you. Well you should vote for him anyway. No matter who and all that.

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                  I’ve never met a single person who thinks any of them could actually get the popular or electoral vote, at this point replacing Biden with another Democrat would be far more likely.

    • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de
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      4 months ago

      And the popular vote means fuck all for the election anyway, so who cares about this system if it didn’t factor in the electoral college?