Look; this instance exist because of censorship. Mostly anti covid and election interferance censorship.
I’m trying to set an example for freedom of expression here. That means I need to occasionally tolerate views I don’t agree with. Like communist who deny genocide is taking place. Or people who think interracial marriage leads to inferior offspring. (My children are mixed, i’m in a interracial marriage )
But we need to make one thing clear. Nazis absolutely disgust me.
I have Jewish friends and they don’t shape shift at night.
That said; if someone respectfully expresses an opinion especially backed with articles and science I will not censor it.
If you think someone is so terrible but aren’t willing to put in the effort to “debunk” their claims then in my mind you just accept they are right.
We have user block; community block functions and everyone can use them if they don’t like content.
For the most part I don’t get people here complaining about to many bad opinions but generally want less censorship.
But there is occasionally those that do here and else where so I need to virtue signal a bit here.
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Trump supporters are not racist or Nazis and I am unvaxed.
You can fuck off with that garbage.
Having a official stance while still protecting the actual speech is unfortunately necessary to combat our detractors.
If we lose a few users along the way due to that strictly moral stance they probably aren’t users that will help us grow anyway.
I’m not actually censoring anyone’s speech BTW.
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I really enjoyed Ruqqus before the exodus.
statements like these coming from a site’s creator will only discourage potential users from joining.
That’s fine for now. I don’t want to be overloaded with Nazi propaganda.
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Your comments are edgelord like.
They would never ban stuff like trump supporter forums.
I’m getting kinda tired of people labeling racewar people as right wing. That should be it’s own category of politics.
The whole point of this platform is to build a federated system where no single admin has the power to do shit like that.
And to not give money and views to places like reddit and facebook that hate you.
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Yeah, according to the fictional character, Barney Fife, “You’ve got to nip it in the bud!”
Thanks for clarifying. I think that’s a good approach as long as you don’t censor.
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Unlike Ruqqus we are federated. We literally don’t have the power to censor like they did.
I would never delete mgtow or incels communities BTW.
I will do what ever I can to help others set up instances so everyone can find a place they are happy with. Its all networked together so new instances can be enjoyable with only a few users
People of course can express themselves how they want here but we need to have official stances such as this to make it clear some retards post doesnt represent wolfballs views.
if i want post incel stuff there is already 9gag
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So…are you actually going to censor Nazis? Nazis are terrible but I think their speech should be protected
No probably not but some people don’t seem to understand that tolerance does not equal association so it needs to be spelled out in a way for them to understand.
That is true. Perhaps for clarity it would have helped to merely say that the Wolf balls leadership is strongly anti-nazi and anti-fascism and will fight hate speech with better speech?
Drafting an official short stance and putting it on the side bar is a good idea.
If people don’t read the whole post and leave I really don’t care.
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While I may disagree with you on some things, I think it is healthy that you are sharing this, since it helps you to keep it going. I mean, if our critics can only see that we all think for ourselves, that this is not an echo chamber, and by you saying you don’t approve of this speech, but allow it to some point, you are fighting for free speech. I don’t know how to say any of this, actually, but you posting as you do is healthy for all of us, I think. So you are being a role model of sorts and helping to pave the way for sites such as these.
One thing that gets me is that the alternatives get closed down when something when a member/user does something violent or stupid. After the Charlottesville incident, we lost a number of online sites that supported free speech, and we lost at least one KKK chapter.
I have mixed feelings about the KKK. They have a horrible legacy they can never live down or redeem, it seems. It claimed to be a Christian organization, and it was started by Democrats. Yeah, the US parties were swapped from how we know them now. The Democrats were the conservatives back when the KKK started. Now, the KKK was rather decentralized. There were local chapters, and while they coordinated with other chapters, they sometimes blacklisted or excluded other chapters for various reasons. There were chapters with gay and Jewish leaders/members. That was part of the exclusions between the groups. And if you moved and transferred to another chapter, they might vet your old chapter. What most KKK chapters state in their constitution and bylaws sounds pretty noble. What is wrong with defending White existence and keeping places that are safe for White children? And some chapters have had interesting histories. For instance, one chapter teamed up with their local NAACP chapter to tackle the issue of illegal immigration. Another chapter fought for their right to “adopt” a highway. That led to a number of joke comments such as, “How can I object to White trash picking up trash off the side of highways?” Of course, other states didn’t feel the same way, feeling that if they put their organization’s name on road signs to honor them for picking up trash, they were somehow condoning the organization or what they supported. So virtue signaling by accusing others of virtue signaling and working to prevent it.
I’m sick of virtue signaling to be sure. If you ask ordinary Americans if they would rather see a Pride Flag or a Swastika flying outside their school, I’d imagine many would opt for neither one. It would be nice if the Left could look at it that way. Is promoting sexual indecency and sexual lawlessness any better than promoting racism and hatred? I believe people, in general, need to stop thinking with their emotions.
I fully agree with you. Nobody is subhuman because of their race or religion.
Growing up in Germany, I saw people scared to speak out because they will be labelled Nazis.
Let’s not poison the well here. Let Nazis speak and be criticized. Free speech is the only way to moderate individual and social views.
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Why let extremists define the group ? Joe Biden said ‘you ain’t black if you don’t vote Biden’. Let’s not be like that moron.
Calling Black people BLM is same as calling Trump supporters Nazis. A minority is, but its not representative
Definitely we shouldn’t censor speech if we want to be better and not brainwashed.
Going by his statement, we should ship everyone who voted for him to Africa. They clearly are not White, right?
And many BLM members (and those “supporting” them from a distance) are White. Just like the NAACP had White founders.
They can still express their opinion here but the site itself can have an official stance without taking action against it.
I am glad you have such a balanced view on things. Its a good approach.
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We don’t have to actually censor anything from free forum. A chaotic place to say anything is great.
The official stance of wolfballs is , Nazis fuck off. We can be morally against a idea but not delete their comments.
We cannot be welcoming to Nazis. I’m not going to roll out a red carpet for people who want my family dead.
I’m not actually censoring anyone though.
If someone wants to leave based on a purely moral stance then that isn’t someone I need to build this platform up. They won’t be helping us or doing us any favors.
Know that over half of the “Nazis” are likely angry left wingers trying to ruin the wolfballs experience. They don’t want us to have a place to express ourselves so they post offensive stuff to get us taken down.
The Left-wing comment is fair. And they do worse. They become vocal members and then commit violent acts, posing as the side they oppose. The Charlottesville incident that was used as an excuse to remove platforms was committed by a liberal. It was a liberal driving a car that killed/injured counter-demonstrators. When that doesn’t get a site deleted soon enough, hacktivists take over trying to take the site down. If that doesn’t work, they shame sponsors, attempt to get their DNS registration revoked, cut off their payment providers, etc.
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keep in mind for future that wolfballs currently serves a niche of allowing speech reddit or other lemmy instances does not
so if a couple instances come along that are more tolerant of speech that becomes prohibited here, then a question arises about what wolfballs offers that those instances do not offer
for now it’s still clear wolfballs fills a niche and would do so for a while even if new instances come along
Squashkin, I would love for more instances to pop up. You know this cost money and I don’t make any money right?
I’m almost ready to personally pay for more freedom instances if someone else would manage it.
More competition is not bad in the fediverse. It makes it better and more efficient for everyone.
If you launch your own instance I will personally advertise it here.
My goal isn’t world domination. Its to make a better place for everyone being censored by big tech.
I’m not censoring anything. I’m just saying wolfballs does not welcome Nazis and we are not a Nazi instance.
That doesn’t mean I don’t allow them to share their opinion.
If I can’t grow without Nazis as a backbone of the user base this isn’t a worth while endeavor.
I don’t oppose all “Jews.” My last name is one that has been used by Jews and I know my people came to the US mostly for religious freedom.
That said, it is the “fake Jews,” or as Paul the Apostle put it, “Jews who made themselves uncircumcised.” And I think he meant more about their orientation toward God than he did literally becoming uncircumcised again, although there are some Jews today who are literally making themselves “uncircumcised” with devices and surgery.
So it goes to the Khazarians who supposedly, as a community, took on the trappings of Judaism and claimed to be Jews while they weren’t. So it isn’t all Jews who are behind things. Many to most Orthodox Jews seem to be pretty “based.”
I myself believe that most cases of interracial romance are immoral/wrong. I am thinking more of a Black man with a chip on his shoulder and some self-hating White woman. White male and Black female relationships tend to be a little better, though of course, in some of those, the White man has lost his own identity and is no better than some ghetto thug. I’ve seen that.
And I guess it would be fair to say that those who think like me would do good to focus more on the reasons for our objections than the outward appearances. I mean, I automatically think some not-so-nice things when I see a White woman with a Black man. I guess I’m saying that I should learn to be more accepting of any healthy relationship (excluding gay relationships, incest, and those that violate laws in most nations – I certainly don’t support bestiality and pedophilia). That is one of the core issues in my objections and those of so many, that most of these relationships are unhealthy and don’t teach healthy White values to children. It is the man who sets the culture in a home while the woman enforces it or at least goes along with it.
So what are the things I see wrong with most BM+WW interracial relationships or what can make heterosexual relationships healthy?
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There should be nothing to prove. The reason 2 people should come together into a romantic or marital relationship should be out of deep love and commitment to one another. It is not about trying to prove you are just as good as a man of another race.
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It should not be about rebellion or an up-yours to your parents. That is more common among women in mixed relationships. Dad refused to buy her a pony so she marries a Black man, knowing he is racist. And I think this is sometimes an element in gay relationships too. They know their families don’t approve and that is part of the motivation for doing it.
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There should be no political point to the relationship. You shouldn’t be trying to prove you are good enough to score a woman that rightfully belongs to another race. You shouldn’t be doing it because it is trendy.
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There is the issue of violence. Relationships can become violent regardless of the ethnicities of the partners involved. However, currently, it seems that White women are more likely to be killed by non-White romantic partners (and that matches trends noted by the FBI). That, of course, has not always been the case. In the 1950s and earlier, a lot of White men spanked their wives, and I mean for discipline purposes like you might do with a child, not erotic play, kink, and BDSM. That was a time period when violence was more acceptable. White men seemed to also take up for women more in general. If neighborhood guys found out that a man in their neighborhood was mistreating his wife, they might just show up, beat him severely, threaten him, and give him an ultimatum. He either shaped up, extricated himself from the relationship, and skipped town, or he otherwise disappeared (and with the “good old boy” network, such a disappearance would go down in the books as an unsolved homicide). Of course, there are historical records of Black domestic violence such as what happened with Marvin Gaye. He was killed by his father while attempting to defend his mother from domestic violence. And this sort of violence still happens as evidenced by more recent events such as a panel of women investigating domestic violence among NFL athletes. Some folks cried foul because the panel was mostly White women, and while up to 15% of society is involved in interracial relationships, most people still prefer partners of similar ethnic backgrounds. Since most NFL athletes are African-Americans, it seems more African-American women should be on the panel.
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The cultures of both parents should be honored in the home. That is one thing that I have against White women who are with Black men. They give up who they are and there is insecurity there since she feels she has to act like ghetto trash to keep his approval. This also affects how they treat other people. From my experiences and observations, White women who date Black men are more likely to be condescending, assume the worst it others, assume that everyone is needy/helpless, stick their nose in other people’s business, suffer from transphobia, and have no compassion for Whites who are victimized by African-Americans. I live where it appears there is institutionalized anti-white racism, both at the city and county levels.
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