i support the message, but if this is true why is the dem party hell bent on keeping the candidate who isn’t actually engaging his base enough to make them want to go out and vote? If biden wins, I’ll be surprised. Happy, of course, but surprised nonetheless.
Was looking for this comment so I didn’t have to type it out. It’s never about winning for Democrats because then they’d have to actually do what they said they would. It’s much more convenient to have the Republicans blocking everything they do while they’re in power so they can then demonize them.
They bet on themselves to win, but not cover the spread…
I don’t know why people don’t see it after 2020.
Biden promised to pass the platform thru a R Senate, that was the entire reason he gave for being the nominee, working with republicans . Then the GA runoffs came up and we might get 50.
So he said with 50 D senators, he could pass the party platform. Which wasnt what he just said, but the whole country still got behind it and we got 50 D senators.
Then like a week into office, he flat out said anyone who thought 50 D senators was enough to do anything was naive and didn’t know what they’re talking about. Then he even said that trying to change a senators mind was a waste of time so he wouldn’t bother trying…
And here we are, four years later, acting like we dont know why Biden is unpopular.
And Obama was the same way. Ran on big structural change (although somewhat vapid in content), then the first thing he does is bail out the banks with taxpayer money. Then spends 8 years complaining about McConnell. His major achievement was passing a minor healthcare package that basically became a Republican talking point.
It’s honestly a well-oiled machine, and it has been since Truman.
Joe Biden won the democratic primaries in 2020. He may not be what most voters wanted, but he was the least objectionable candidate for many people. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar and Tulsi Gabbard all ran, and most didn’t win a single state.
Who is this mysterious candidate that “voters want” who chose not to run?
The 2020 primaries should have been a wake-up call to a lot of people that what they thought voters wanted wasn’t actually true. There are a lot of socially conservative democratic voters out there.
They are both right wing parties and both entrenched in capitalism and corporations and donation money.
The OP is true because more people are in the middle like a bell curve and the D is slightly right, while R is far right. So the more people you add the more likely they are to vote D.
Most people want to think they’re in the center. But the second you dangle M4A, universal education, and the possibility of lower rents in front of them they love it. Not realizing that those aren’t center positions.
Yeah, but for some reason a lot of people also don’t want other people to benefit more than them, even if that person has a lot less than them. It’s wild. Something, something, bootstraps.
how can we energize left leaning people to vote for more left leaning parties? maybe not this election cycle, but we might be able to push further left if we can get some green candidates in the house next time.
In a first-past-the-post system, a third party candidate only ends up taking votes from the mainstream candidate closest to their position. Even if you could somehow get a third-party candidate to be the most popular candidate, you’d have to convince the democratic candidate to drop out or they’d be splitting the left-of-center vote. And, the democrats have a vested interest in keeping third-party candidates out, so they almost certainly wouldn’t do that.
That is the MUCH better question everyone should be talking about, not arguing over Biden. We’re here, Biden is our only option, accept that and let’s talk about 4 years from now and start the movement for that now, not at the last minute.
I think making sure more people vote in their local elections, raising awareness of the actual POLICIES and the actual VOTING records of the candidates. Cut past all the talk and lies and BS. Help people look at what bills are out there and who is voting for what and vote for their desired candidates from that. Also getting more people to the primary votes. If we wanted Biden out then the primary vote was the time to do that, we could have flooded the polls for someone else back then. We could also have some campaigns or petitions or whatever to make known how people feel about issues and hopefully drive some change that way.
I am so tired of hearing people online like “I did nothing for 4 years and I’m mad at Biden for a genocide being done by another country on the other side of the planet so I’m not gonna vote for him now and I don’t care if that lets Trump win, it’s Biden’s fault.”
The point is that if the post is true moving to the left would motivate more people to vote instead of the current system where the left does not have a real voice in American politics …
if this is true why is the dem party hell bent on keeping the candidate who isn’t actually engaging his base enough to make them want to go out and vote?
He’s the only one that can beat Trump. But he can only beat Trump if everyone in the country turns out and votes for him.
Also, nobody look at how Republican voter participation changed between 2016 and 2020
i support the message, but if this is true why is the dem party hell bent on keeping the candidate who isn’t actually engaging his base enough to make them want to go out and vote? If biden wins, I’ll be surprised. Happy, of course, but surprised nonetheless.
The wealthy donate to both parties
If Dems ran a candidate voters want. They’d get majorities in both houses, not long till super majorities.
And then there’s no excuse not to do what voters want.
Moderate Dems want to win, but only by so much they’re not able to do anything in office.
Was looking for this comment so I didn’t have to type it out. It’s never about winning for Democrats because then they’d have to actually do what they said they would. It’s much more convenient to have the Republicans blocking everything they do while they’re in power so they can then demonize them.
They bet on themselves to win, but not cover the spread…
I don’t know why people don’t see it after 2020.
Biden promised to pass the platform thru a R Senate, that was the entire reason he gave for being the nominee, working with republicans . Then the GA runoffs came up and we might get 50.
So he said with 50 D senators, he could pass the party platform. Which wasnt what he just said, but the whole country still got behind it and we got 50 D senators.
Then like a week into office, he flat out said anyone who thought 50 D senators was enough to do anything was naive and didn’t know what they’re talking about. Then he even said that trying to change a senators mind was a waste of time so he wouldn’t bother trying…
And here we are, four years later, acting like we dont know why Biden is unpopular.
And Obama was the same way. Ran on big structural change (although somewhat vapid in content), then the first thing he does is bail out the banks with taxpayer money. Then spends 8 years complaining about McConnell. His major achievement was passing a minor healthcare package that basically became a Republican talking point.
It’s honestly a well-oiled machine, and it has been since Truman.
Joe Biden won the democratic primaries in 2020. He may not be what most voters wanted, but he was the least objectionable candidate for many people. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar and Tulsi Gabbard all ran, and most didn’t win a single state.
Who is this mysterious candidate that “voters want” who chose not to run?
The 2020 primaries should have been a wake-up call to a lot of people that what they thought voters wanted wasn’t actually true. There are a lot of socially conservative democratic voters out there.
Only 4 fucking states had their primaries before most of those names were told to drop by the party and Biden only won 1 of them!
Because they are shit at engagement, as proven since 1984
Because they prefer electing republicans to winning if the cost of winning would be compromising even a fraction of an inch with the left
Change, historically speaking, has taken a long time. Less so now.
Obama got people excited in 2008
Controlled opposition, so the other side doesn’t go to far from center?
They are both right wing parties and both entrenched in capitalism and corporations and donation money.
The OP is true because more people are in the middle like a bell curve and the D is slightly right, while R is far right. So the more people you add the more likely they are to vote D.
Most people want to think they’re in the center. But the second you dangle M4A, universal education, and the possibility of lower rents in front of them they love it. Not realizing that those aren’t center positions.
Yeah, but for some reason a lot of people also don’t want other people to benefit more than them, even if that person has a lot less than them. It’s wild. Something, something, bootstraps.
Something something right-wing propaganda
how can we energize left leaning people to vote for more left leaning parties? maybe not this election cycle, but we might be able to push further left if we can get some green candidates in the house next time.
In a first-past-the-post system, a third party candidate only ends up taking votes from the mainstream candidate closest to their position. Even if you could somehow get a third-party candidate to be the most popular candidate, you’d have to convince the democratic candidate to drop out or they’d be splitting the left-of-center vote. And, the democrats have a vested interest in keeping third-party candidates out, so they almost certainly wouldn’t do that.
That is the MUCH better question everyone should be talking about, not arguing over Biden. We’re here, Biden is our only option, accept that and let’s talk about 4 years from now and start the movement for that now, not at the last minute.
I think making sure more people vote in their local elections, raising awareness of the actual POLICIES and the actual VOTING records of the candidates. Cut past all the talk and lies and BS. Help people look at what bills are out there and who is voting for what and vote for their desired candidates from that. Also getting more people to the primary votes. If we wanted Biden out then the primary vote was the time to do that, we could have flooded the polls for someone else back then. We could also have some campaigns or petitions or whatever to make known how people feel about issues and hopefully drive some change that way.
I am so tired of hearing people online like “I did nothing for 4 years and I’m mad at Biden for a genocide being done by another country on the other side of the planet so I’m not gonna vote for him now and I don’t care if that lets Trump win, it’s Biden’s fault.”
That is insane logic.
Biden’s been doing fine. I never gave a shit how he “appeared” in televised debates.
The point is that if the post is true moving to the left would motivate more people to vote instead of the current system where the left does not have a real voice in American politics …
He’s the only one that can beat Trump. But he can only beat Trump if everyone in the country turns out and votes for him.
Also, nobody look at how Republican voter participation changed between 2016 and 2020
at this point, he is. but he didn’t have to be the candidate. we were forcefed biden and not given another choice.