Being trans is not a sexuality and given the long-debunked psychiatric tradition of viewing transness as a sexual pathology, it’s extremely problematic to imply otherwise. Musk has afaik never commented on her sexual orientation, it’s always been about her gender identity.
Musk has afaik never commented on her sexual orientation
didn’t make that distinction, probably, when he outright lied about Vivian having been “campy gay,” including making shit up about fashion makeover fretting and Broadway.
“Hey, Elong actually thinks being trans is some sort of being extra pervy gay” really isn’t a great comeback to this. What you describe is exactly what i was complaining about - ascribing a male sexual orientation to a trans woman to portray her as a sexually deviant man. That’s not a problem with her sexuality, which he might not even know when he has to make up stuff like this, it’s a textbook case of transphobia and should be called out like this to not reproduce his transphobic slander. SorosFootSoldier had the decency to listen and correct the mistake instead of lecturing me about the fine print of Elon’s ramblings like a redditor.
I can’t believe i actually have to have this converation in 2024, on hexbear, on the fucking trans comm.
Edit: To clarify this and because i need to educate you for your desperately needed self crit instead of just calling you out, the point i was making is that there is a century-long psychiatric history of abusing assumptions about our sexuality to deny our identities and gatekeep gender affirming care and core parts of socially and legally transitioning. This works independently of our actual sexualities, which are never recognized, but always inverted. When we are straight, we are belittled as gay men in denial who merely want to escape being gay by becoming a woman. When we are lesbian, we get demonized as predatory fetishists who have transitioning as some kind of auto-erotic kink. When we are bi or pan, we are supposed to be either extra confused gays in denial or extra fetishistic predators. When we are ace, we are assumed to be repressing one of the former things. It’s NEVER about sexuality, it’s about making up excuses to deny trans people even exist. Every transphobe who speculates or outright makes shit up about a trans person’s sexuality is engaging not in a conversation about that person’s sexuality, but is making a bad faith argument to be transphobic, and that needs to be described as such to refute and deconstruct these narratives.
ascribing a male sexual orientation to a trans woman to portray her as a sexually deviant man
I did not agree with false identification with Vivian whatsoever, but I did word it badly. It wasn’t the “campy” part that was wrong, it was the entire thing.
I had no intention of lecturing you whatsoever, but I am now taking your criticism in good faith and will mind it in the future.
didn’t unfollow Grimes until this specific chosen moment. I hope he dies mad. Very mad. 
He really is a billionaire deadbeat dad complete with hating his kid for her gender identity.
Being trans is not a sexuality and given the long-debunked psychiatric tradition of viewing transness as a sexual pathology, it’s extremely problematic to imply otherwise. Musk has afaik never commented on her sexual orientation, it’s always been about her gender identity.
Got it edited
Thanks.
“Hey, Elong actually thinks being trans is some sort of being extra pervy gay” really isn’t a great comeback to this. What you describe is exactly what i was complaining about - ascribing a male sexual orientation to a trans woman to portray her as a sexually deviant man. That’s not a problem with her sexuality, which he might not even know when he has to make up stuff like this, it’s a textbook case of transphobia and should be called out like this to not reproduce his transphobic slander. SorosFootSoldier had the decency to listen and correct the mistake instead of lecturing me about the fine print of Elon’s ramblings like a redditor.
I can’t believe i actually have to have this converation in 2024, on hexbear, on the fucking trans comm.
Edit: To clarify this and because i need to educate you for your desperately needed self crit instead of just calling you out, the point i was making is that there is a century-long psychiatric history of abusing assumptions about our sexuality to deny our identities and gatekeep gender affirming care and core parts of socially and legally transitioning. This works independently of our actual sexualities, which are never recognized, but always inverted. When we are straight, we are belittled as gay men in denial who merely want to escape being gay by becoming a woman. When we are lesbian, we get demonized as predatory fetishists who have transitioning as some kind of auto-erotic kink. When we are bi or pan, we are supposed to be either extra confused gays in denial or extra fetishistic predators. When we are ace, we are assumed to be repressing one of the former things. It’s NEVER about sexuality, it’s about making up excuses to deny trans people even exist. Every transphobe who speculates or outright makes shit up about a trans person’s sexuality is engaging not in a conversation about that person’s sexuality, but is making a bad faith argument to be transphobic, and that needs to be described as such to refute and deconstruct these narratives.
Good comment. I hate that this is the first time I’ve explicitly seen this called out as transphobia as it should be.
I did not agree with
false identification with Vivian whatsoever, but I did word it badly. It wasn’t the “campy” part that was wrong, it was the entire thing.
I had no intention of lecturing you whatsoever, but I am now taking your criticism in good faith and will mind it in the future.
sexuality and gender identity are completely different things