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Signups opened this week for Loops, a short-form looping video app from the creator of Instagram alternative Pixelfed, reports TechCrunch.
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ITT: People in their mid-twenties or later, who feel superior to those that like one form of media over their preferred media.
Elitism aside, I don’t really see what federation solves here. What benefits does federation offer the user? How does the recommendation algorithm give users what they want? How will a decentralised platform perform the kind of centralised events a platform like TikTok is known for?
ITT: People in their mid-twenties or later, who feel superior to those that like one form of media over their preferred media.
You’re just waving away an important fact, which is that shorts and their equivalents are notoriously known for killing attention spans and disrupting the management of dopamine in the brain, causing depression in particular.
We are no longer simply in the traditional custom of the elderly who despise the activities of the younger generations, we are talking about health.
Federation can solve the danger zone content for you, how about a federation network with just kids content, other with more adult ones, etc to the just nsfw isolated from each others?
You may see shorts in lemmy in the near future because of that.
Authwalls, data sovereignty, self controlled open source algorithms for finding content without manipulation by corporations, etc
Not interested in the short-video concept. But I like the name, though. Short, sweet, doesn’t sound too “techy”, not too complicated to pronounce or spell.
Awesome! This sounds like a much better way for me to share the occasional video of either or both of my dogs being super cute on c/dogs (and on other non-Lemmy forums) than relying on an anonymous YouTube account.
(I may have partially used this post as an excuse to share a video of one of my dogs being super cute.)
Bröthër, whërë ärë my lööps?
big Pete why are you so BIG
But will it have porn?
Yes. It comes preloaded with porn. But it will be short porn, not the kind our wives like where the characters have to meet each other at the gym or the pool and then have a drink and yada yada yada… Nah, this will be jump a little, pants fall off. Jump again, it’s over and the hair is all messy and glued together for some reason. Porn.
OnlyFeds
Sounds like a place to find NSFW content from FBI agents.
Cool
Oh no, please no, hell no, fuck no
Very cool that its federated but to be honest i just dont like this kind of short form content. I ratherd watch a youtube video.
Short form content ruins people’s attention span. I’ll pass.
My biggest problem with short form content is I want to pick what I’ll watch based on the uploader, title and thumbnail, not be algorithmically fed videos I may or may not be interested in. All of the video providers are going straight for the algorithm so I have zero interest.
The algorithm won’t know what kind of content I’m in the mood for so I want to be in control to choose. The algorithm also likes to try to feed me content by some creators who aren’t worth my time and I don’t want to watch one second of their videos
Especially repost bots, engagement bait, or just plain misinformation. It’s rampant on Instagram.
Same
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I wanted an account, verification email is not arrived.
The waiting list is still very long at this point. Probably don’t expect to get in for like 2 weeks…
This is pretty cool. I’ll check it out.
Ignoring the myriad of other issues listed in this thread, the bit about training AI is pretty misleading. It’s not hard to scrape webpages for whatever kind of data you like, even if loops doesn’t outright hand things over for third parties for that purpose.
And the kind of people who are downloading the entire internet to train AIs are the type to be willing to just scrape without permission.
loops doesn’t outright hand things over for third parties for that purpose.
Hey, check it out; it’s the thing loops said buried in the middle of your paragraph highlighting what other parties can or will do.
They are claiming not to train AI using your videos/info theirselves. I don’t think it’s misleading just because other people can scrape that info.
Not that that has anything to do with them of course.
Isn’t it just a Pixelfed instance but yellow?
possibly, but couldn’t that be said about instagram and tiktok too?
I was legit asking if it just was a Pixelfed instance or a fork of the project with new features.
It is created by the samw dev as pixelfed - wouldn’t be surprised if parts were reused to bootstrap quickly.
Same Dev, different product (name and features) , codebase maybe similar/same.
Yes, and it will still be brainrot.
My attention span is just fine. I don’t need to see it ruined by short format nonsense with about as much intellectual value as the nutritional value of a McDonald’s cheeseburger.
I never installed TikTok or Snapchat on my phone, not because I had privacy concerns, but because I hate everything about the format.
Omg😱. Round of applause for Mr. Superior here!!!
I’ll take it. Thank you.
The problem with tiktok is not close-source and being centralised. It is being tiktok
Same reason it is weird to want a FOSS copy of the UX of Slack/Telegram/Discord in Matrix instead of realizing you don’t need or want the chat history to persist for eternity. Good thing you can choose a different protocol/service in these cases.
Of all the reasons to hate these messaging apps, it’s because messages last forever? I’d get it if you were concerned that private companies don’t really delete your messages, but you know the average person using these apps actually does want their messages to last?
Privacy is one part. The cost of joining & maintaining a server on the network is the other. Many servers have shut their doors due to expensive hosting. If you are lenient on how many messages need to actually be stored on the server for archives, self-hosting is now much more accessible which leads to a healthier, more decentralized network since more nodes can afford to join.
You can still creating your own archives in your clients or on your specific server via s2s communications, but Matrix has this as a network requirement for eventual consistency. You can’t have the “search all messages in the last 5 years” feature without eventual consistency—but this is the point I am trying to make: copying the Slack/Telegram/Discord model makes this a requirement to have in a decentralized sense which costs way too much. Step back & reassess if copying this model is the right call. We were fine last decade without this.
Drag wants the chat history to persist for eternity. Just two weeks ago, drag pulled up a 3 year old quote from one of drag’s friends to make a point in a discussion.
Drag can archive it locally just fine or on Drag’s own server if using a different protocol. Is it worth storing hundreds of thousands of messages & attachments that price out self-hosting & low-spec hosters & medium-sized communities on a budget? These storage costs add up quickly & without lots of nodes, the network is no longer federated but held by a few mega hosts like Matrix.org & a sprinkling of single-user hosts. I have seen many servers shut down due to costs. This tradeoff just isn’t worth it for a triving, decentralized platform (Mastodon suffers similar duplication issues).
It’s not the format that is the problem. It’s that old rich people from the broadcast industry decided that since they couldn’t compete with the communications and community industry they’d instead turn the communications platforms into broadcast platforms and tear down all of the community aspects. It happened to all of social media including more long form media as well. So if this project can avoid selling out or being manipulated by spammers into becoming yet another broadcast platform, it might have a shot.
It’s absolutely the format. The old rich people just have the incentive to drag everyone into it, to make it something to get “hooked” on. But the format itself is already cancerous.
I was there 3000 years ago when snapchat was brand new… those were some good times. Sending snaps to all your friends and staying in touch etc, before all the filters and stories and news etc it was great
Vine was before Snapchat
I’ve been avoiding it for years and finally gave in in the moment of weakness. I uninstalled it very soon after because I hated the experience so much and never gave it another thought nor chance. xd
I did that exact same thing with Twitter about seven years ago and I still don’t understand why someone would use it
Twitter is trash, on the basis that it tries to create “engagement” as much as possible. Any engagement. So it’ll force a bunch of hot topics and rage fuel down your throat.
However, as an artist, I kind of need a platform like Twitter. Thankfully there are alternatives. I stopped using twitter quite a while ago now.
How can you hate something that you’ve never tried?
Cultural osmosis.
Just because I never installed TikTok or Snapchat, doesn’t mean I’ve never seen or heard anything from it. Snapchat used to be big, TikTok is even bigger right now, it’s completely impossible to actually avoid seeing anything from it. And then there’s YouTube with their shorts.
To be fair, Snapchat is still better than tiktok, because you can actually communicate with friends. Their spotlight is as much brainrot as it gets
And very few people (at least people my age) are still on Snapchat. They all moved to Instagram stories years ago. I finally deleted my Snapchat account a couple months back, because the only reason I was still using it was to trade pictures with a friend of our cats.
for example by being aware that the format is harmful to psychological health
I dont have to be stabbed in the eye with a pen to know I wouldn’t enjoy it.
Yeah, exactly. Not everything needs to be experienced. Not experiencing something doesn’t mean being ignorant of its consequences.
Pretty easily: that’s the whole point of the concept of “reputation”
I don’t think TikTok community is compatible with the idea of fediverse
TikTok exists to give you large floods of endorphins via either an algorithm trained to your interests or by giving you big numbers. And this is not exclusive to TikTok, this is just how modern “social” media works, it’s the sole reason why bluesky succeeded more than mastodon
Modern social media is mostly a hive mind of people affirming each other driven by algorithms. Fediverse on the other hand, always boils down to a old fashioned usenet style network made just so people can talk with each other. You can’t really get addicted to fedi
I wasn’t really alive during the wild west internet (im 19). I got into the net during the transition from forums to modern social media and reddit was my first social. I tried getting into facebook and instagram because everyone else was there but I just didn’t like it much.
I don’t know why but “the algorithm” is really boring for me. I only tried algorithm driven feeds on reddit (after u/spez) and on tumblr but the recommendations were always extremely “fake”. Other sorting methods like “new” or “by most active” just feel more like as if there was someone on the other side of the keyboard
I have been so happy since I’ve adopted the “intentional browsing” concept. It means I am the only one choosing what I want to see so I use NewPipe instead of YouTube, Mastodon instead of Twitter, Lemmy and a RSS reader instead of Reddit. My life has improved so much I am not even kidding. I feel ‘clean’
An interesting point, that a lot of younger people might not know: social media wasn’t always like this.
When I joined facebook around 2008-09, it wasn’t algorithm driven, there weren’t even ads. You had a chronological feed of your friends’ interactions, so you could see if someone posts a photo, comments something, or shares a stupid quiz. It was a very-very different feeling compared to what we have now. It was useful and practical, but the enshittification killed it.
I would never sign up for something like this today, absolutely useless - only reason I’m still there is the messaging app, which I use daily with most of my friends/family.
You can’t really get addicted to fedi
Hmm… anxiously eyeing my Lemmy post history…
Yeah, I’m not as addicted to Lemmy as I was with Reddit, because there aren’t as many comments and niche communities and an algorithm messing with me, but like I check Lemmy throughout each day and if I’m honest there’s not much purpose aside from getting that hit.
I’m kinda in line with you, but I have noticed that there are more days and even weeks if I’m busy where I never look at Lemmy. I don’t think I went a full day without Reddit unless I specifically decided to for like a trip with an SO or family
You can’t really get addicted to fedi
Phew, I was getting a bit worried.
Me too😂
Could be worse. Could be flying squid.
Partly why I use Voyager with page numbers. Gives you a clear stop point.
I had some days that I spent hours debating with people, other days I just chill and chat with people, particularly on Mastodon.
and then theres… Lemmy, I was probably addicted to the hardest. The score system would keep me checking it and i’d be interested in keeping my score up high. I’d even argue that it made me a better human being.
It’s weird seeing how “the algorithm” has genuinely only made things worse. Falling into the YouTube rabbit hole was a thing, and it was entirely organic. From the loose connections of topics, you could start from any feel good funny video, and end in detailed documentary about MK Ultra.
The best algorithm was no algorithm and there’s no way of ever going back to that. I feel pretty lucky to have experienced the internet before it became everything.
I don’t think algorithms themselves are to blame but what they are tuned for. While engagement/eyeball hours for the adserver is the prime metric the quality of experience will be subservient to it. If the algorithms could better measure your mood and stimulation levels and maximise for that the effect would be less toxic. Ideally if it realised you were just mindlessly consuming it could suggest maybe you’ve done enough today and to try something else. But that I fear that is not something the owners of the various ecosystems want.
my favorite feel good funny videos are about Mk Ultra and the three letter agencies (IRS FDA MSG)
I’d be surprised if it wasn’t a bit more subtle than that. While the medium really facilitate the behavior that you describe, I’m pretty sure that it also hosts sane usages, creative content and positive communities.
