He got me to read the Manifesto and would have hours’ long debates with our social-democratic roommate and now this. It’s really shaking me up a bit.

He is on the whole defeatist ‘nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies’ tip. I want to get through to him but I am getting stuck.

For example:

i also refuse to not vote my conscience but i figured this time its not like doing this abstract process to pick if id prefer -100 points vs -200 points is gonna matter that much if i genuinely believe itll even be slightly better under kamala i might as well

kitty-birthday-sad

  • porcupine@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 hours ago

    ‘nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick

    I hate to be the first person in history to point this out, but your friend’s vote doesn’t determine who sits in the imperial throne. Your friend’s vote is a superficial indicator of personal support for a given aspiring war criminal. The imperial president is appointed by an unelected council of elders chosen by from the two wings of the US bourgeois party.

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      6 hours ago

      Drop the condescention, people understand that electorialism is a fuck, that’s not the argument put forth. Have the common decency to assume that the people you’re conversing with on a leftist instance has grasped the absolute bare minimum of political analysis. It’s honestly frustrating to see alleged comrades pull this debatebro bullshit again and again. https://hexbear.net/post/3785751/5562247