• GoodGuyWithACat [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    15 days ago

    I don’t think this is due to wealth redistribution so much as stock market shrinking. Now are the the stock prices shrinking because of policies that have lead to wealth redistribution? I don’t know.

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      Even if it doesn’t mean the slightest bit of wealth was redistributed, it still means less power for the owning class, which is already a good thing.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      The benefits of economic growth have benefited actual working people instead of just being hoarded by the oligarchs as they happens in the west.

      Chinese households have record high savings in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

      The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf

      From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China’s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4

      From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&locations=CN&start=2008

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      15 days ago

      Now are the the stock prices shrinking because of policies that have lead to wealth redistribution? I don’t know.

      Not by a long shot lol. Financial markets operate through the logic of mainstream economic theory and both western and Chinese markets convinced themselves that the real estate “crisis” is a real problem.

      That was a double attack together with the earlier months of western political economic figures bashing China over “unfair” competition and “overcapacity”. The result is unfortunately the CPC listened and ended gaslighting themselves into believing there was a real consumption crisis about to happen. Again sadly no Marxist remotely agreed with this.

      The reality is that some of the problem is due to the global economic crisis with basicaly the entire world except the US(who avoids this by absorbing EU capital) and China having terrible growth or even entering recession in the EU. But you see the western hypocrisy doesn’t give a shit if Germany or Britain crashes, its only the CPC that must repent if they don’t keep up with their magical growth promises.

      The narrative was “China produces too much” therefore “there must be consumption incentives”. No consideration is given to consumption of Chinese exports abroad e.g China “overproduces” green energy stuff because nobody else is investing in it and the US is literaly willing to ban Chinese imports than to use the opportunity to consume these products at the current lower prices.

      The policies themselves nobody actualy cares, the structural control of the CPC or their dual circulation model etc none of that is at stake(yet?), it was just gaslighting after “bad” data that gave too much credit for neoliberal mainstream theory and unfortunately the CPC isn’t willing to compromise with unorthodox policies this time around.