Marxism-Leninism and the theory of settler-colonialism in the United States
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To put it as plainly as possible, if the proponents of the U.S. settler-colonialism theory are correct, then there is no basis whatsoever upon which to build a multinational working class communist party in this country. Indeed, such a view sees the “settler working class” as instruments of colonialism, hostile to the interests of the colonized people, rather than viewing all working and oppressed people as natural allies in the struggle against imperialism, our mutual oppressor.

A shame, a sad sad shame. For anyone that’s read settlers, or knows about the history of labor zionism, or prioritizes any kind of indigenous voice in their praxis, this is really bad. No peace for settlers! Settlers cannot lead the revolution! I hope we see an end to any respect given to this “settler colonialism is over” politic soon.

  • borschtisgarbo@lemmygrad.ml
    18·
    10 days ago

    The issue with the article is that it practically implies that there aren’t any contradictions between settlers and non-settlers. It acts as if settlers class interests don’t often align with that of the bourgeoisie. Practically an outright denial of the labour aristocracy. And let’s just be honest, no one has ever advocated for barring white people from participating in the workers’ movement. Not one.

    • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
      410·
      10 days ago

      OPs past comments explicitly state that that’s what they wish for.

      Also this is a conflation of the current stage of settler colonialism in states such as Zionist Israel and the United States. Settler interests are not a thing anymore in the United States, beyond maintaining the systems of power and consequences of previous colonial policy. Also no one is denying the labour aristocracy, however being a “settler” does not impart magical labour aristocracy privilege to even the vast majority of “white” people directly descendant from settlers.

      Also labour aristocracy arises from workers exploiting super profits from external colonies. How does the author sweep aside that in any way?

      • StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.mlOP
        14·
        9 days ago

        Settler interests are not a thing anymore in the United States, beyond maintaining the systems of power and consequences of previous colonial policy.

        Listen Ive had this convo with you before, at this point don’t say your idealogy has anything to do with the liberation of native/black people and tell it like it is, you want to organize with and for white people only. This shit doesn’t fly for anyone that’s interacted with the prison system, lived on a reserve, been priced out or kicked out of their land. It’s ridiculous, you can’t imagine settlers/yts not having a front and center place in the revolution I’m saying they need to be subjegated to the native/black proletariat ala EFF or BPP, or move back to europe. There’s plenty of room for praxis, hell look at the EFF it’s being done today in a settler colony like cmon

          • StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.mlOP
            101·
            9 days ago

            I think you posting screenshots of our old conversations as to prove I just hate white people is much more vindictive. I’m sick of settler communist spaces leading action in the US and I do work with many other people who are as well. I am voicing things that are not unique to me or even this country and you are denying our real life experiences with angry attempted owns and half-responses, even if you disagree there is no need to be so combative to a viewpoint EXTREMELY common to natives in marxist spaces. You just push people away from marxism and keep it another white space. Talk about bad faith.

            • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
              16·
              9 days ago

              You live in a fantasy world you’ve made in your own mind. You’re acting like I have any problem with indigenous people AT ALL, and not that my problem is you frothing at the mouth about how white people keep ruining any Marxist spaces and that it’s YOUR space because YOU want it to be.

              • StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.mlOP
                91·
                9 days ago

                I am trying to act in good faith but you are saying you “dont have a problem with native people” so if native people are uncomfortable with your rhetoric or settler communist spaces at large it is their fault. You are being actively hostile to the idea this should be bettered and denying the fact that this real life opinion even exists. Even if I outright hated all white people no matter what you need to understand that would come from a legitimate outright revolutionary place, and that if communism or marxism is actually to be the idealogy of the oppressed in America it will be made up in majority of those who have been hurt most by capitalist colonialism and its superstructure of white supremacy (even the white people!)

                • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
                  14·
                  9 days ago

                  And who are you to speak for all Native people? Or are you saying they are a monolith who share your identical approach? Or are those other native people wrong and only you’re right?

                  Neither am I hostile to the idea they should be bettered. You can keep making any claim you’d like, that doesn’t make it true. So please, stop trying to shove words into my mouth.

      • borschtisgarbo@lemmygrad.ml
        8·
        10 days ago

        Not once in the article is it mentioned that certain parts of the “multinational” US have vested interest in imperialism and internal exploitation. I’ll show you two places where this is completely omitted despite being crucial to the topic

        This is because workers of all nationalities, both oppressed nationality workers and white workers, toil shoulder to shoulder on assembly lines and shop floors, in kitchens, warehouses and offices, from coast to coast. Even as national oppression puts greater pressure on oppressed nationality workers, they are still forged into one multinational working class together with their white siblings as they suffer exploitation together under the same bosses.

        The multinational working class and the liberation movements of oppressed nationalities found themselves with a common enemy – the monopoly capitalist class. Thus, a united front against monopoly capitalism, based on the strategic alliance of the multinational working class and the oppressed nations, became both possible and necessary.

        OP didn’t mention that in this thread though. Albeit i haven’t checked their past comments on other threads

        • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
          48·
          10 days ago

          I would suggest reading through their comments. They believe that no one beyond black individuals descended from slaves and indigenous population deserve to participate and lead revolutionary organizations and that white participants can neither understand nor have a place in a decolonial world.

          They froth at the mouth about “Starbucks leftists” over and over. This person is not serious.

          “Deep issues due to the settler base of the parties”

          Ie: it’s not government interference or other issues, it’s the white people who ruin everything.

          • borschtisgarbo@lemmygrad.ml
            4·
            10 days ago

            Okay, yeah i don’t agree with that view. I just misunderstood OPs views

            Still a sprinkle of truth to be found in there though. Specifically when they mention CPUSA, Maki, SACP struggling with the labour aristocracy due to, again, many of them having a vested interest in maintaining the present state of things.

            • StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.mlOP
              171·
              9 days ago

              I mean, that’s what I believe. I don’t think settlers can’t participate but they need to be subjegated to the actual proletariat (ie join the PFLP and not Maki, the EFF not SACP) and focus on decolonial marxism and not a labor politics that ignores very real contradictions. When they lead a communist party, you have a party with labor aristocracy conciousness. Also, I don’t think Ive ever mentioned “starbucks leftists” like was claimed, no clue where that came from other than trying to make me out as a crypto conservative

                • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
                  15·
                  9 days ago

                  This is where Starbucks leftist came from. No clue who he is referring to with this. This is the classic conservative line.

                  • StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.mlOP
                    81·
                    9 days ago

                    I’m talking about self described leftists who actively chose not to boycott Starbucks for Palestine because they’d rather their blood soaked US-imperialist slave picked treats over any form of activism, usually under a mis-appropriation of the term “No ethical consumption under capitalism”. You use the term Starbucks leftists as if I said the ACP line of “Baristas can’t be revolutionary” when I never said that and minimum wage work can often be more revolutionary than many other jobs in the imperial core.