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Don’t worry everyone, it’s like the Sorting Hat, it takes your preference into account. Just say “not TempleOS” and you’ll get into Linux.
pretty outdated meme, to say the least
What kind of Bizzaro world reverse order is this nonsense? Mac is worse than Windows is worse than Linux.
Copium needs to justify spending $800 for 2tb of SSD or $400 for 8 GB of ram like if we still were in the early 2010s
This meme does seem to be from the early 2010s, to be fair.
By what criteria?
At work I honestly wish I had requested a Mac. My Lenovo laptop is always freezing while I’m off to lunch or overnight.
Any criteria. Every criteria.
Your lenovo is a skill issue but at least they can be fixed.
A normie world.
Macintosh OS is the most fucked up UNIX I’ve ever used. Worse than Solaris 8
Wtf is templeOS and why do Ineed to use it
The Wikipedia page is your best friend here. In short was an operating system written from the ground up by a brilliant, bipolar and occasionally psychotic man who was named named Terry Davis. It is important to mention when talking about Terry Davis to note he stalked several women and he probably took his own life.
It was Terry’s belief that a way to speak to God was through computers. So he built an operating system from the ground up to act as God’s temple. It’s actually a pretty nifty achievement truth be told and an interesting view into the mind of someone suffering from psychosis. It is not suitable for every day use, but people have taken the foundations of his OS and ran with it making equally interesting operating systems.
people have taken the foundations of his OS and ran with it making equally interesting operating systems.
Do you have some examples? I’m curious
First off, a word of warning. TempleOS and any fork I’ve seen does not do hardware monitoring. Meaning the OS has no clue what the CPU temp is or any other temp or power usage. Modern hardware should be able to protect itself from this, but it’s a fuck around and find out kinda deal. These operating systems can fry your hardware, it’s very unlikely but not impossible.
That said, the best one is TinkerOS. It’s more or less the same as TempleOS but for newer hardware. Most other forks we’re more or less hobby projects by various people and I don’t think there’s much documentation on those if at all. I’d never use any of them as a daily driver though, as neat as they were.
Here is a fantastic video on the subject.
The reasons are outlined in the decision tree in the image. 🙃
cope and seethe. Haven’t had an issue with either my debian desktop nor my debian laptop in the 5 years I’ve been running it on them. Sounds like you’re just mad your OS constantly advertises paid services to you, and mine doesn’t.
cope and seethe
Are you going to call someone a “cuck” next? 😂
Not unless they want me to be their bull
Listen, it’s a funny hyperbolic way of saying “stay mad”; don’t let sex-negative reactionaries have all the fun phrases
COpE aNd sEeTHe
Been running Arch for probably ten years now, or soon, too. It’s no work to maintain. Just run the package manager update command and let her rip. Check what packages are updating. If it seems like something you don’t know or understand, or something system critical, check the website if something manual needs to be done.
It’s honestly no more work than any other distro. More like less work, because the system is improving at a faster rate than more “stable”/stale distros. And I don’t remember how many times I had to reinstall Ubuntu when I was running it. The system upgrade just not finishing as it should for whatever reason.
Happily using a system that doesn’t run out of space unless I make it so. That does my bidding rather than some company’s.
Keep feeding the penguin, folks. 👌
Do you want a working computer? Yes To play games? Yes -> Windows |--- No |--- Will you just browse the internet and maybe work with some sort of Office document? Yes |------ chromeOSGentoo should replace Linux, most distros are very stable, Fedora being among the most stable
I absolutely cannot figure out what to do in order to fix an Apple computer when it’s bugging out. Is it a part? The OS? Something external? How am I supposed to diagnose this fucker with so little information? Windows is rapidly heading down the same road. Linux will remain the final bastion of those who fix their electronics themselves
I absolutely cannot figure out what to do in order to fix an Apple computer when it’s bugging out
Buy a new one, duh
Or do the same basic troubleshooting you would for any other computer. It sounds like the person you’re replying to doesn’t know how to do that. They should learn. It’s not that hard.
Debugging a Mac is just as simple as debugging a Linux OS… because it is Linux.
I can’t tell if you’re making a joke or just confidentially incorrect
It’s a lot simpler to say Linux to keep the conversation going than it is to say Mac is BSD based and therefore is a Unix system and has all the exact same benefits of a Unix based system. There is no joke here, maybe you just like correcting people when they’re trying to have a conversation.
Calling something Linux is very specific, and it’s just not true for macOS. E g. if someone brings you an encrypted drive that uses LUKS, you can’t mount it in macOS. But both are Unix-like, macOS even being UNIX certified. However, from what I understand, these mostly concern a specific part of the stack that doesn’t guarantee that you can work with the other system, this is rather something for applications to target. I mean cool I can enter a shell and list files on macOS, but that doesn’t fix the problem.
Well, macOS is unix based, and when debbuging a friends mac, I usually find that I find the terminal more comfortable than the Windows Command Prompt.
Now, that Mac does break in very weird ways sometimes, but I digress.
Linux Is Not UniX
Also Gnu is Not Unix
macOS is Unix. Everything can be logged and reported through the terminal if you want more debugging information. There are also power tools you can download that give you better GUI-based control over a myriad of things.
Though it’s worse now than it was ten years ago. Apple’s software has been suffering under Tim Cook and it’s probably not going to get better until he’s gone.
Indeed I think the “Yes/No” are the wrong way around on the Apple part of the flow.
Also, why else do you think they call them geniuses. Only geniuses could possibly fix your smooth metal rectangle.
“After
smoking a bowl in the break roomthorough investigation, we have determined that you need to buy a new one.”
If only it had a whole slew of logs, like any other OS, that I could easily Google the locations of… Nah, vomiting ignorance on Lemmy is easier.
If shit gets real real, developer.apple.com.
Mac is Linux? You debug it the exact same way, except unlike Linux, you don’t have to worry about 50 different distros, so it’s a lot easier to find solutions. Debugging a hardware issue is just as hard as any other platform… what are you even trying?
The one thing I’d agree is that it tends to be harder to fix hardware issues. Well, on the new one’s you just don’t because it’s soldered, but a friend’s late 2015 27 inch imac has a borked SSD, and to replace it, we’d need to take off the glued on screen.
Softwarewise, I prefer the issue-finding experience to the windows one, though.
Harder to fix completely depends on which manufacturer you bought your laptop from, but yeah Macs aren’t easy to fix hardware issues. But finding them is just like other platforms, there’s nothing different there.
Well, yeah, anyone that solders memory and storage will be exponentially harder to fix. I’d be hard pressed to think of any more difficult to fix than the current Apple lineup. Equally difficult? Sure, there’s plenty.
I wouldn’t be surprised of there’s shome shitbox out there I just haven’t had in front of me yet.
The reason MacOS is seen as a working computer is because if anything breaks about it, it isn’t considered a computer anymore by Apple, it is considered e-waste.
I guess I don’t get this attitude about macs. I switched to mac when I was traveling a lot in 2007 and saw how portable they could be compared to other laptops. It’s almost 2025 and I just bought my third one last year. My kids are still using my 13 year old MBA for homework, and the hardware is absolutely solid.
Edit: Lol, downvote reality. My favorite pastime.
they dont like when you point out that as obnoxious as apple can be, they put out good products
They put out the best commodity hw on the market IMO. The rest is subjective, and everyone is entitled to their preferences.
Also no mention that macos actually flows from the last Berkeley release of BSD and still has significant interoperability/portability with other variants. Oh well.
Did you have anything break on them? Because that was my point.
Repairing Macs costs a fortune, because Apple rather you buy something new than repair them.
I still have a Windows 98 machine that fully functions. It is just slow.
Yeah, you take it back in and they fix it. Or you fix it yourself. Just like any other computer. If your issue is something hardware related, Apple will still fix it, it just costs a lot because you’re paying for it in every part of the engineering. You can also go to third party repair shops and have them fix it for cheaper.
I gave a friend a powermac g5 that I had gotten for free as a teen, gave it to them 10 years ago, and it still works too, it’s just slow. That means nothing.
You don’t get this attitude about Macs? Are you willfully blind?
Plug a 1080p monitor into a Windows or Linux machine and notice how text is crisp and readable, because they use sub-pixel text rendering, a technique in use for decades to make text readable on lower resolution monitors.
Now plug that monitor into a MacOS computer and notice the text looks like trash because Apple ripped out their sub-pixel text rendering system to force users to buy their fancy high res monitors.
I don’t actually own a 1080p monitor (nor an apple one), and that’s a pretty specific reason to hate macs of high resolution is your desire. I’m sure there are no similar issues with other platforms that someone could find as a reason to [presumably] turn their PCs into ewaste- which is the actual topic of this thread.
Hyperbolic much?
From another thread on this topic:
Even Microsoft themselves are moving away from it. They just left it on Windows as is for those who use old, standard-res LCD. Their subpixel antialiasing (ClearType) has been disabled by default on Microsoft Office (and many of their productivity products) for years.
The reason why they are moving away from subpixel antialiasing is because, the sole reason for it exist is for the shortcoming of standard LCD, where it has a big “pixel” that consist of row of RGB “subpixel”. Say if you want to draw a line of 1.5px, obviously you can’t divide that pixel in half. What people did was by using some of the “subpixel” to made up that 0.5px (e.g. it’ll only light up the blue subpixel if the 0.5px is to the left, or conversely the red subpixel if it’s tho the right). Here is an example. By using subpixel rendering on standard LCD, you can “fool” the user by adding that extra colour on the side, which when viewed on standard LCD, it will look smooth rather than those jagged colour.
Now, obviously this “illusion” will only work on display with big pixel consist of (in order) red, green, and blue subpixel. Now, since many people are moving away toward high resolution display (Apple’s main reason) and there are many other display type with different subpixel arrangements (Microsoft’s main reason, and also Apple’s with their OLED products), there is no reason to use subpixel rendering anymore (in fact, using it on any display other than LCD will look worse).
I don’t actually own a 1080p monitor (nor an apple one), and that’s a pretty specific reason to hate macs of high resolution is your desire.
No it is one example amongst hundreds of Apple not prioritizing backwards compatibility or even just third party compatibility, because it would be a little extra effort for a couple software engineers, and as a result we get piles and piles of physical e-waste.
As a company Apple takes no responsibility for their role in compatibility and ensuring that our (society’s) broad ecosystem of products keeps functioning, they only put effort into making sure that their products, that they profit off of, work and keep working.
A little extra effort times “hundreds” of examples is a lot of extra effort…
Okay then. Thanks for your viewpoint.
I could never imagine playing defense for a trillion dollar company. “It works for me so I like it.” is a perfectly valid response, but you’re trying to somehow defend their horrible practice of a walled garden, a practice that creates huge amounts of e-waste.
No one defended walled gardens. The conservation was about deprecating lesser used functions. Stop trying to use terms you don’t seem to understand.
So in your opinion, a trillion dollar company that made billions and billions in pure profit after all their salaries and costs, over the course of decades, can decide that they have no responsibility to reduce e-waste and everyone else in society should throw their stuff out and pay them more money?
And that’s ok to you? On a moral and ethical level?
How the honest fuck are you defending an excessively profitable company not supporting (and in several cases, explicitly going out of their way to break) third party accessories and forcing consumers to pay more money and generate more e-waste?
Or is your opinion is that you bought into the Apple ecosystem, so they can do no wrong?
WTF are you smoking? I just pointed out my last laptop from them is 13 years old and still going strong. Show me another brand that lasts like that.
Let me be clear: FUCK OFF
Font rendering on Linux is still hit and miss. Recently had to troubleshoot an issue where only the titles of Wikipedia articles in Flatpak Firefox on OpenSUSE looked like ass, with other text, or all text in other browsers and another distro rendering OK.
* iWaste
I tried to find a good study of laptop lifespan by brand. The best thing I could find was a consumer reports survey from 2023.
They rated Apple as the #1 laptop for reliability. I don’t think that is “iWaste.”
This lines up with what I’ve seen, but even as a career IT person my personal sample size ain’t that great.
I dislike that current Apple products aren’t very repairable, but appreciate that they are very recyclable and durable.
Repairability, not reliability
If you are saying the “iWaste” comment is about repairability not reliability, I get that. My take is maybe that if something has a long lifespan despite not being repairable, it might be have a longer life before becoming waste or recyclables.
I do like that the EU is mandating user replaceable batteries and other changes and support most right-to-repair legislation.
It can’t have a longer life than something that’s repairable and upgradable.
Even if we imagine Apple used the highest quality components, which they most certainly didn’t, anything dying means you need to completely replace the internals of your device. It’s like saying a car that needs an engine replacement because of a dead spark plug can have a long life.
Edit: I’ve lost the thread a little as this started about laptops not mobile phones. I’m leaving this comment here as the points may be valid even for laptops, but I’m too bored to do any more research. Thanks for the great and civil discussion.
I would agree that a theoretically completely upgradeable and repairable device is better, but I think the real world implementations generally aren’t that good.
It’s hard to get to statista’s summary of lifespan of phones without a subscription, but many summaries that use their data say something like:
In general, the average lifespan of a smartphone is 2 to 4 years. According to reports, the iPhone lasts 4-10 years, followed by Samsung units, which can last 3-6 years. Huawei and Xiaomi units have an average lifespan of 2-4 years, while OPPO units have 2-3 years.
Perhaps there is better data out there that would change my mind, but I haven’t seen it. If Apple products are iWaste, then it appears nearly all other products are even more wasteful. All the data I have seen points to Apple products as generally having a long lifespan followed by an excellent free recycling policy (https://www.apple.com/me/recycling/).
Still using my 2011 15” MacBook Pro!
This was a problem when they were selling Apple IIs
MUGs came into being because Apple provided zero support and overcharged for proprietary hardware. So the only recourse was to find a hobbyist, and they were glad to help.
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why RTFM when you can
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Well if your definition of “working” is “can run all the important programs and game” then anything thats not windows or linux wont work.
Honestly. I got a work mac and now I can’t run notepad++. I’m stuck with an ide I hate.
Use TextEdit for .txt and .rtf, and get Sublime Text, VS Codium, or any of the other bazillion IDEs out there until you find one you can tolerate. Helix does that for me. (:
Thanks for the suggestions. I cannot fucking stand vscode or vscodium
Which aspects about it do you dislike?
I’m asking since for most everything – except maybe the fact it’s Electron-based – there’s an extension, or the behavior can already be altered in the settings.
Also, IDK how your workplace handles application management, but if you have any freedom as a developer (if that is your role?), make sure to get a package manager, presumably Homebrew or MacPorts.
Brew especially isn’t perfect, butbrew install <name>handily beats out any installation method containing the words “App Store” or “Browser download button.”You have to apply some (from time to time well-hidden) tweaks to macOS until it becomes usable. :P
I hate it so much I’m not even getting into that.
Out of curiosity, what IDE do you want to use and which one are you stuck with?
kickstart is another great starting point for tinkerers
Working computer - >Mac
Should have been:
Do you have more money than brains?->Mac
Or
Fuck this, I’m doing this for shit and giggles. ->Mac
Is my employer paying for it? ➔ 🍎
The best thing about quitting was returning that damned Mac… Hated every second of using it, horrid UX.
MacOS fails at the main job of OS: managing multiple running applications / windows. I do not understand how they get praise.
And then they released Stage Manager to assist with this 🤣 it is horrible, don’t get why anyone would use it
And just like any Linux distro, you can completely customize it. Hammerspoon will completely solve almost every problem you have with macOS.
Guess I’m dumb dev then 😞
Once, when I started a new job, I had to use an Apple laptop until my Linux laptop came. While the Apple laptop was better than I expected, it was still one of the most annoying weeks of my life. The most unbearable part was the keyboard. I could never tell which hotkeys used
ctrland what usedalt, and it just wasn’t worth the effort of remembering the differences or remapping them.But besides that, after using Linux for 15 years, the very basic levels of configurability that the Apple window manager provides just made it look like a child’s toy compared to Linux. In Linux, there are so many different window managers that it becomes very easy to customize an environment that works perfectly for you. With Apple, you just get what you’re given and if it’s bad or doesn’t work well for your habits, then tough luck, you’re stuck with it anyway. So in that respect, Apple computers don’t work at all - you work for the computer, whereas it should be the other way around.
But at the end of the day, what it really comes down to is the fact that people just like what they’re used to, and it sucks to change. What’s best is a matter of preference; none is better objectively better than the other.
Except Windows. Fuck Windows.
Same for me. I can’t stand the weird keyboard combinations and I totally hate that I need to watch a 1 second eyecandy animation when I put a window in full screen.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the stupid animations. They also happen when moving a window to another virtual desktop, or when you minimize it. Complete waste of time and they just cause me to forget what I was trying to do or why.
Also, on the topic of minimizing windows, I also hate the dock concept where all the windows are grouped together. I like having a taskbar with a full list of windows so I can see how many are open. If I see too many that are open, I start closing the old ones that I don’t need anymore, which helps me stay organized. This is much harder to do with a dock instead. But once again, it’s just a matter of preference!
When Microsoft forced the grouped windows in windows 11 I was crazy. Luckily some hobbyists in their spare time fixed what the multibillion corporation with hundreds of thousands of engineers was unable to do in over two years (explorerpatcher)
On paper Macs are very good computers. In practice whenever I try to use one I go strict Boomer Mode and can’t get anything done.
Agreed, and it really makes me nervous about changing jobs. If I start a job that requires using something other than Linux, I don’t really know what I’ll do. I’ll probably have to get really good with tmux or zellij or similar because window managers on non-FOSS platforms suck so badly!
Do you like being spied on and having your data sold?
=> Windows or ChromeOSDo you have too much money?
=> MacDo you have a decent set of working brains?
=> Linux“if you don’t use linux you are literally unintelligent and there’s no other reason why someone wouldn’t want to spend hours configuring a personal device” — one inevitable comment under every post like this for some reason
Used and refurbished Macs aren’t that expensive.
Microsoft’s telemetry isnt ideal, but they’re not selling your Windows usage data. That is explicitly just used for the OS developers to diagnose issues and evaluate what features are being used.
Your bing data and shit they are absolutely selling, but it has a different privacy agreement.
Almost no company is selling your data. They’re selling services that they can offer based on the data collected about you. The data itself is too valuable to be sold, as their monopoly on it is the basis for their business model. That’s why all these “we’re not selling your personal data” statements are pointless at best and dishonest at worst.
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
yee, guess they are acually the good guys.
