Reminds me of this quote from an essay by Roderic Day - “When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries.” https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
The nuclear family is the basis of all past and present AES states. It is completely false that the nuclear family is incompatible with community life, as these states have proved. I dont care whether “the official definition” of the nuclear family is just 2 parents, the same arrangement with 3 or 4 people is pretty much the same thing, so ill call it the same. I mean abolishing the nuclear family implies abolishing the closed parent child relation, meaning that there isnt anymore this unique special relation. Thus, the child will have the same relation with his parents and anyone else who lives with him, say aunts, in laws, grandparents, etc. Not that theres anything wrong with an extended family, but to expect such an arrangement to work in urban environments (where most people live nowadays worldwide) is naive. For that youd need huge countryside like homes, which is impossible with the current technology. You just cant build huge homes in small urban flats. Which is why under socialism the nuclear family should remain as it is now, the basic unit of the community. Under communism things could change, but were not quite there yet.
Well then you’re not engaging with what I’m talking about and choosing to put words in my mouth.
If I criticize one family structure and you choose to bring up another one claiming they’re the same, our conversation makes no sense.
Please use paragraphs.
Im engaging in what you are talking about. 99% of family units nowadays are 2 parents. All im saying is that the families of that 1% that are 3-4 or single parent should be considered nuclear too because they are pretty much identical, they function in the same way. But the argument still applies to the “traditional” nuclear family because it is the absolute majority of nuclear families.
I dont know what negative experience you have with nuclear families, but your experience isnt necessarily the norm. You seem to be moved by personal bias, not rational argument. The truth is that all AES states based themselves around the nuclear family, i believe with great success. This doesnt mean you cant discuss its validity, but to apply the negative results of nuclear families in the hypercapitalist neoliberal hellhole that is the USA, to all nuclear families worldwide, is not a fair comparison.
Please do not take offense with this message, its not my intention.
I believe the same thing with you. But assumptions don’t drive a fair discussion.
Unless you believe that we need to push a nuclear family over other traditional family structures and that an isolated nuclear family unit drives a healthy society, I don’t really care.
I will tell you to research abuse and violence statistics and ask yourself whether this new phenomenon proves superior to others. “Stranger danger” hasn’t done any favours to children.
I’m not here to take your kids, I just believe they would benefit from more safe people than one or two parents. And parents would benefit from knowing that they don’t have to be alone raising their kids.
Maybe the US is worse on this than Europe, but i have never experienced what you are describing. I come from a “traditional” nuclear family, 1 man and 1 woman, but i still have extensive and good relations with my extended family, despite me not seeing them often (they live in Italy, i live in Spain). I know that if something happened to my parents, my aunts, uncles and cousins would be there for me, despite them living on the other side of the Mediterranean Sea. I have seen similar things with my acquaintances, frankly i have seen much more disfunctionality with divorced couples, not that im against divorce or single parents, but its just what ive seen in life.
Oh, I’m sure people can make it work. Taking care of children comes natural to many people. And when you love your family you just do what you have to to keep them healthy. But I don’t think it’s ideal and we can make it better.
*Insert joke about you being Italian*
Fair enough, i agree we should make it better.
Oh, the jokes on you, im only HALF italian, the other half is spanish. Think about it, both my countries had fascist dictatorships, how cool is that hah? Not even you americans can brag about that 😤😤😤 (/s)
I’m amazed. Oh, what shitty luck your family has had having to bear fascism.
But it’s not so bad that you’re half Italian half Spaniard, you could be Fr*nch. You skipped it on your way over, what a relief.
I’m not amrican, or eurpean. how could you say such a horrible thing to me. ban hammer! /s
Oh i thought you were american, where are you from?
Hahaha indeed, both sides of my family lived under fascism. My spanish side were apolitical so they didnt suffer political repression under the Franco regime, although they did suffer the Civil War and the extreme poverty of the early decades of the Franco regime. My italian side were left wing and antifascist from the beginning of Mussolinis rule. During WW2 they often listened secretly at night to Radio London (a BBC operated radio broadcast to nazi controlled territory to counter nazi propaganda).
In fact one of my grandparents best friends was a top member of the Communist Party of Italy during the 1960s-1980s and had visited the USSR many times. My grandfather also often worked with soviet and east bloc sailors and ships (he was into the naval import export business). For both of these reasons my grandparents were often spied on by italian intelligence.