I didn’t make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
“We’re good and you’re bad”
Holy shit lmao you can’t write irony this good.
Just for the lols, someone try asking them if they’re pro-Russian
I’m having a very hard time believing this isn’t ironic.
I’ve always been weary of that community. It had some tankie mod vibes.
Seems like all comments here are “whatabout communism”
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
You and I disagree, so it’s obvious you’re just a Kremlin bot account, here to sow discontent.
Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren’t perfect, but we definitely aren’t an authoritarian state either
We have an Israel first rulership. Every politician pledges allegiance to Israel. Tik Tok ban is because it is not zionist media, and the theory that young people are opposed to genocide is because they use tik tok, even through IDF gloating videos promoting their attrocities are on Twitter too, as are muslim disapprovals of genocide.
You have zero freedom/power to stop your theft of war support of Israel or against Russia, Canada, Greenland, Panama or Europe. Or stopping your nuclear incineration. Citizen’s united means only rich people speech counts. Congressional bills in congress will outlaw criticism of zionism/Israel. That you are currently permitted to have sex with people you choose is against the Christofascist agenda that will be pandered to in next 2-4 years. But it is the predetermination of democratic outcomes for the most favourable to Israel, war, oil, and the extreme corruption of by the oligarchy for the oligarchy rule, that makes the US more authoritarian than governments that simply contains divisive distractions, while defending and advancing the country’s needs. “Democracy and Freedom” is complete BS used to warmonger those accused of being less liberal than apartheid ethnostate Israel.
You+state approved media have the freedom to say US is not authoritarian, while I’m still allowed to explain reality. But neither of our opinions has any relevance whatsoever on our oppression.
Tolerant for the intolerant smth smth
To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
You’re not wrong though. While it might be possible to do in theory people are not that nice or kind, you’ll never get everyone to share what they have and not own or try to possess things without an authoritarian government forcing it. Maybe in a more ideal world you could achieve it but that’s not the world we live in.
Yes.
If everything is shared under communism, that would include political power. thus (imo) communism is a direct democracy.
Edit: forgot what thread I was in. What the hell does communism have to do with US authoritarianism?
Yeah, but humans are awful animals and true communism is a pipe dream.
The awful ones are awful. They’re allowed to take power in the current system. We have awful rulers and the awful people who support them. We need only be aware of this phenomenon to mitigate it. Your solution appears to be not accepting possible solutions, which is just inaction. How does inaction stop awful people from destroying the planet?
They’ve been allowed to take power in basically every system that has ever existed. The entirety of human history is a showcase of the fact.
Sure, we might be able to be better on small scales, but there’s a reason communism has never worked, and will never work on a large scale.
It looks great on paper, but not so much in practice. There’s always going to be evil people who are only interested in personal gain at the expense of others who are charismatic enough to dupe the population into letting them and participate in the committing of atrocities.
Humans are just too easy to corrupt. I think it’ll likely be our Great Filter.
commission*
It’s not possible with authoritarianism either :)
Unless you count the version everybody insists on calling “social democracy” nowadays. That one can be done.
Yes. Communism was never meant to be authoritarian anyway, it’d a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Only some people don’t believe in the stateless part.
Traditional communism probably isn’t possible but it’s near guaranteed that no one in Lemmy wants communism like it’s traditionally taught
Edit: the fuck are you doing in a post about USA authorianism
Plot twist: The mod is from US and just proving their point.
PTB stinking hypocrisy from a distance.
Counterpoint. It’s not a strawman. The US is is an authoritarian state. If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you. also Why are you here?
Strawman wasn’t enough, was it? There’s an implicit false dichotomy here, between accepting the idiotic reasoning and the conclusion or rejecting both (thus the user not belonging to the sub).
EDIT: to be clear. I won’t talk if USA is/isn’t authoritarian, that is not my point. My point is that the mod in question is clearly being irrational, and hell breaks loose once you put irrational people on power. I also don’t think that he should be removing users for not agreeing with the premise of the sub.
Is it a mock-up of Trump being a general dipshit, getting things wrong, then aggressively doubling down on those things when people say anything.
They’re getting reamed out in the comments, which is great to see.
deleted by creator
YDI BPR
Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.
Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.
OP is not even defending (or accusing) USA in that thread. Their only comment there is
> The US is is an authoritarian state.
> If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you.
lmaoThey’re only highlighting the mod’s hypocrisy. Everything else is assumption.
And the deal applies to the user that the mod is screeching at:
That couldn’t be more of a strawman even if he was with a lion, a Kansas girl and a tin man on a yellow brick road
Even if you agree that USA is authoritarian (IDK if the user in question does), the argument in the OOP is bloody idiotic, it’s on the same level as “2+2=7 lol thus whales don’t fly lmao”. And it is a strawman because it mischaracterises why people say that China is authoritarian.
What hypocrisy? It’s not called AntiAuthority.
It’s idiotic in that it ignores Xi’s 50 years of being involved in the party, and the power he’s head since before he was Gen sec. I wouldn’t call it a strawman, although it’s a pretty selective interpretation.
What hypocrisy? It’s not called AntiAuthority.
The mod is denouncing authoritarianism from a government, while being themself authoritarian. It is hypocrisy.
And, even if it wasn’t hypocrisy (it is), what random@blahaj said there would be simply a false accusation against the mod. It does not imply that they’re defending USA.
It’s idiotic in that it ignores Xi’s 50 years of being involved in the party, and the power he’s head since before he was Gen sec. I wouldn’t call it a strawman, although it’s a pretty selective interpretation.
It is a strawman because it mischaracterises why people claim that China is authoritarian. It has zero to do with Xi being head of state for eight years; it has to do with the one party system, plus censorship.
(OOP could have capitalised on that to claim that USA is authoritarian, without being a strawman. They didn’t.)
Mate, they’re not a bloody fucking government themselves are they? Talk about 2+2=7 alright…
And it’s not a strawman, it’s not in response to anyone. It’s at blurst whataboutism.
Listen, you and I know you’re not that stupid, so stop pretending to be.
they’re not a bloody fucking government themselves are they?
The morality of authoritarianism does not “magically” change depending on who does it; it’s still the same outcome, only in a different scale. If one is bad, the other is also bad. And someone doing what they denounce as bad is hypocrisy.
And you could bring up a thousand more arbitrary restrictions like you already did twice, like, “it isn’t hypocrisy because today is Friday lol”. It still won’t change shite dammit.
And, as I already showed, even if your insane troll logic was valid (it is not), it doesn’t defend the bullshit/assumption/lie that OP was defending USA.
You’re being a bloody muppet and odds are that you know it.
Talk about 2+2=7 alright…
What I said is not false, let alone evidently false.
And it’s not a strawman, it’s not in response to anyone.
Yeah, because that community and the post totally exist in a vacuum. They are totally not addressing what people often say, that China is authoritarian. Right??? /s
It’s at blurst [worst?] whataboutism.
Nope.
Whataboutism is a diversion tactic. It would be whataboutism if OOP used that argument to divert attention from China into USA; they are not doing it, the central theme of the community is USA.
In case someone complains about the wall of text: Brandolini’s Law.
It does change when it comes to voluntary spaces. Their instance is like a club, it can impose its own rules on itself it’s not hurting anyone. A state imposing rules affects everyone and it’s damn hard to move.
You cannot begin to compare state oppression to Lemmy moderation.
It does change when it comes to voluntary spaces.
You: “ackshyually the comm isn’t AntiAuthority”
Me: [shows that it doesn’t matter]
You: “ackshyually they aren’t a government”
Me: [shows that it doesn’t matter]
You: “ackshyually it changes when it’s a voluntary space”You’re changing the goalposts again.
You cannot begin to compare state oppression to Lemmy moderation.
You: “elephant shit is not mouse shit. Thus mouse shit is not shit”.
To be blunt I’m not wasting my time further with you.
