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Cheezus Crust. Just because of one removed comment you got so fucking mald. Get some perspective. YDI. Don’t make every post in PTB about drag and neopronouns.
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Just because of one removed comment
As long as his comment shouldn’t have been removed, your reply is utterly stupid.
You could reply with “just because one innocent had to spend time in prison…”.
Do you see how it works?
No comment should be removed on stupid suspicion of trolling (which in practice means mods don’t like the views expressed by a user) and mods who do that shouldn’t be mods.
You could reply with “just because one innocent had to spend time in prison…”.
Weak. You should have gone straight for the Hitler comparison.
Weak. You should have gone straight for the Hitler comparison.
Are you a little bit slow?
You told the guy that it doesn’t matter if you were right or wrong removing his comment because it was just one comment. This is a ridiculous reply.
If the comment shouldn’t have been removed, than it shouldn’t have been removed. If you admit you shouldn’t have removed it, than apologise to him rather than trying to ridicule his reaction.
That comment should absolutely be removed. I’m pointing out that even if they disagree with me, it’s just one goddamn comment
That comment should absolutely be removed
Quote the rule under it should have been removed, I dare you. Just not ridiculous arbitrary “trolling” as so far I see your comments as trolling more than his - in this thread anyway.
I’m not the kind of person who maintains a 300 page rules document for most to ignore and for a few dedicated others to dig for loopholes. Use your brain, common sense, and If you don’t like how the comm is run, feel free to open another. I don’t care.
I’m not the kind of person who maintains a 300 page rules document
No, you are definitely a kind of person who makes them up when you go along. In this case you even didn’t bother to make it up I see, you just blatantly removed his comment because you didn’t like it. You should have never became a mod.
Do a decent thing and apologise to him.
we won’t allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry
actively disrespecting a user’s identity def seems to fit under that
actively disrespecting a user’s identity
Are you taking the piss? He was referring to a user with identity “dragonfucker”. Plus he wasn’t disrespecting it. Plus there is absolutely nothing in rule you quoted about disrespect, try to understand what you are reading next time.
Are you a little bit slow?
i dont normally downvote but wow you get an exception
Of course you don’t, sweetie. I have seen your other ridiculous comments in this thread.
listen here sweaty i dont know what avoiding downvoting has to do with my other ridiculous comments in this thread but nothing justifies ableism except if youre being ableist toward a liberal but maybe not even then im not sure actually i need to reflect on my values a bit thanks for being a sounding rod for me
lmao here, spermaceti.
listen here sweaty i dont know what avoiding downvoting has to do with my other ridiculous comments in this thread
Try to think again. Slowly.
it’s not about drag and neopronouns, it’s about concern trolling…
And yet, that discussion immediately devolved into a drag & neopronouns argument. See how that works? Use other comparisons and less trolly phrasing.
i have zero control over what other people talk about, i certainly wasn’t goading them into….
maybe, just maaaaybe, it’s relevant to mods banning real vegans for “not being a real vegan”.talking about concern trolling in a post about concern trolling isn’t “trolly” just because you personally don’t like it.
just let people talk about what people want to talk about… it’s not going to hurt anything
Unfortunately I have to look the big picture, and some topics, like drag, tend to dominate posts and unnecessarily heat up discussions in PTB into flamewars. You don’t have control, but I do have responsibility to curate this community to be positive and not have every goddamn topic discussing neopronouns. You got one (1) comment removed, ffs. Just use a different comparison.
well you’re treating me as if i’m every other person that brought it up.
sorry but not sorry, it’s a pretty glaring example of concern trolling.I literally just removed one (1) comment because it’s causing this drama yet again. Not everything is meant to a personal affront to you! You really need to get some perpective and chill the fuck out.
I already explained the reasoning so I don’t think there’s anything left to say here.
But if this thread starts the neopronouns discussion once more, I’m locking it like the rest.
I literally just removed one (1) comment because it’s causing this drama yet again.
And you shouldn’t have done and he is well within his rights to raise your power trip. While his comment don’t make much sense, he is definitely not breaking any rules and therefore should not have been removed.
Not everything is meant to a personal affront to you! You really need to get some perpective and chill the fuck out.
No, it is you who should get some perpective. You are not some infallible human being. You made a mistake. Apologise to him for removing his comment.
no, it already started… i just won’t engage them, though:
https://lemmy.world/comment/14416391
yeah we should be able to talk about that pronouns arent real and those who use them dont deserve respect it doesnt hurt anything
edit you said you wouldnt engage me but then did it anyway
also sorry db0 but tbf they started it
/s I guess
people keep telling me to use that
i’m mocking you not engaging you, attention starved troll
youre single handedly giving me plenty of attention and im thrilled about it so even if we dont get married im still happy to talk
lonely eh?
oh look, another concern troll.
nice try, pretending like im saying something completely divorced from what i said.
its exactly what you said and im on your side here
fuck off, troll
Try being more constructive. You begin to identify a genuine issue but you attribute it to some conspiracy that all the mods are trying to exclude leftists by making controversial rules. I think that is incorrect, they are trying their best even if their policy I wouldn’t fully agree with. It’s hard to get everyone to agree on anything, but leftists doubly so.
So, what is the moderation style that you’d want to see in a Lemmy community? Could you find or create a community on an instance like lemm.ee that might fit that better?
Just being salty about having your incendiary comment removed won’t accomplish much.
Hello,
Completely unrelated, but as I see you here, could you have a look at this thread? Looking for Canadian perspective: https://lemmy.ca/post/35100507/13832375
Yeah sure. I think the removed commentor is being extremely pedantic in their reasoning to dismiss this person as “a nobody”. It’s very nuanced:
They are correct but only in a technical sense: the part(ies) controlling the Parliament form the Government, 2nd place party (Conservatives) is the Official Opposition, the others are Recognized Parties within the legislature. However, the Liberals have been running a minority government with a plurality but not a majority of seats. And until September 2024, the NDP, which meant that Charlie Angus and the MPs in that caucus were helping keep the Liberal government intact in exchange for legislation that were in the NDP’s (more left wing) interests.
In the international sense, Parliament is our legislative branch of a government, “Government” is the executive and our court system is the judicial branch.
Let me get extremely pedantic here: is MP Angus part of the Government (aka the federal government) in official Canadian terms? No. To say MP Angus is part of the government (in an international sense, without using specific terms like federal government or Government of Canada) is perfectly acceptable, understood fine in Canada as much as elsewhere. You’ll notice the wiki page on it is very careful to differentiate the terms.
Anyway, the thread linked is not the place to school people on these technicalities, and the user’s use of this to reach the conclusion suggesting MP Angus and the NDP are nobodies is false and misleading. The distinction or stretch of logic specifically is that “not part of the government” ≠ “a nobody in the legislature” when the user themselves were implicitly conflating the two in the beginning.
Thank you!
some conspiracy that all the mods are trying to exclude leftists by making controversial rules.
not “all the mods”, and clearly no point in continuing since you’re so willfully mischaracterizing what i plainly said.
classic please pm me whatever that tactic is called where you can just avoid a good point by saying that kind of thing because id like to read up on that to use it myself
Buddy, thanks for backing me up, but there are better places to start a chain of sarcastic backtalk than here.
swing and a miss
i dont swing im celibate
yawn
eepy
YDI let comments sections be about more than the same 3 fucken topics gyatt damb
YDI. No need to bring past drama into current posts
it’s related… not “drama”
YDI. Stop bringing the argument into the comments.
YACI
im not familiar with this acronym
you’re so boring
those are different letters thats YSB not YACI
Guess what? This is just humans. This is your normal in-group/out-group dynamics. It’s tribalism, it’s always always tribalism.
It’s not some shady group trying to undermine you, it’s that humans by and large fucking suck at this stuff and recognizing when they’re doing it. It’s why I never felt much affinity for “groups” to begin with, because they always devolve to this.
And others are right, by bringing up the drag drama, you undermine your own point.
it’s a salient example of the strategy i’m talking about. this isn’t a natural consequence of having groups.
there’s no way the mods think that a vegan who would prefer a vegan restaurant adds a couple meat items over them closing entirely “was never really a vegan” and should be banned.
and likewise, there’s no way people think that dra**** is a real pronoun that that person actually identifies as, and people discrediting that are anti-people’s gender identity.
it’s exactly the same thing.
it’s concern trolling.Are you trolling right now? The mod thought you were.
People think and do dumb shit all the time completely genuinely. Just because something seems crazy to you doesn’t mean it seems crazy to everyone. We all have a different perspective.
they could be crazy, but i they’re crazy like a fox
You have a point on the concern trolling, but fwiw I think you could characterize the vegan situation a bit differently - read e.g. https://sopuli.xyz/post/21265293/13960349. Whether we agree with their position or not, they do have one, and it behooves the cause of finding truth to characterize it as accurately as possible.
i think it’s the same thing, but they do have a toe to stand on with the vegan one…
but with the mods banning people with a note saying “you were never a real vegan”… i find that incredulous and more likely concern trolling than just being an asshole.
actual vegans don’t talk like that.What? Actual vegans definitely talk like that. Not just online, in real life. I have personally heard vegans say the same thing. It isn’t even just a small handful. I know a decent number of vegans out here. Some of them are friends and relatives, so I spend time with them in restaurants, bars, and other shared spaces as well as private spaces.
The ones that are part of my life by choice are the sorts that don’t treat being vegan like a crusade, they make their life choice, and live it with strength and their own actions without making it about imposing their beliefs on others.
And I have personally been present when some of them were verbally attacked for that. By vegans. The exact phrase “you aren’t a real vegan” has been used in my presence by vegans to vegans. Also, “you’re just a vegetarian, you don’t really care about animals” because the target simply wasn’t willing to fuss and fight non vegans over a difference in belief.
Hell, you just drew a gatekeeping line by saying “actual vegans don’t talk like that”. So, if you’re a vegan, you just talked like that, even though it wasn’t the same gatekeeping.
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It’s not exactly the same thing, imho, and I say this as neither a vegan nor entirely a fan of how that situation was handled. In large part not bc of what you are saying but the confrontational nature of how you are saying it. So now you call them an asshole, and they call you one in return… and at that point, regardless of whether you were initially right or wrong, wouldn’t that confrontation have justified the removal of your comment, from this community?
The latter point does surprise me a bit tbh - normally this community is quite open to challenges, even to the very mods themselves, e.g. you see that this very post is still up. Btw there’s also !fediverselore@lemmy.ca if you ever need it, linked to in the sidebar of this community. My point is that there is no shortage of spaces to complain about PTB mods, though your words will carry more weight if people are able to be more receptive of them, for which it tends to help to make less loaded statements as “they are all assholes” and more like “I highly disagree with their position, what about you?”
If somebody asks me to refer to drag that way, I’ll just do it. Why not?
If drag’s fun to be around, I might hang out, if drag sucks or is boring, I’ll move on and talk to somebody else.
I wouldn’t take multiple days out of my life to scream about how “they don’t really mean it” or how it breaks a rule my first grade teacher taught me about grammar.
I wouldn’t take multiple days out of my life to scream about how “they don’t really mean it” or how it breaks a rule my first grade teacher taught me about grammar.
nobody’s doing that… and i will take anyone’s gender identity and preferred pronouns seriously if they are serious….
otherwise it’s just that same old conservative transphobic joke, “my preferred pronoun is <<insert some sarcastic term here>>”.And yet here we are days later and I see people apparently very upset about pronouns because they know drag doesn’t really mean it.
If drag is a troll, take a second to think about who is feeding the troll in these threads…
my concern was mods banning people in support of this troll
Look, I lived in the pre-internet days. I can tell you it’s fucking tribalism, because it was exactly the same in small community groups before the internet.
i understand what you’re saying and i disagree with your conclusion. i know that sort of thing does happen organically… but i don’t think it gets that absurd that quickly… usually
YDI.
Okay, there’s no rule explicitly saying “don’t bring up old and divisive discussions, that are likely to derail the new discussions into off-topic”… but come on that’s a given innit?
YCLB
sounds like something a fake vegan troll would say
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YDI - You Deserved It
CLM - Clueless mod
PTB - Power-Tripping Bastardi’m not familiar with this acronym
Me neither, even after searching it
sealioning
that doesn’t even make sense in this context
no i was saying that i thought you knew what it meant but were pretending you didnt to get me to spell it out for you and then i would get in trouble but i see now youre being genuine so
YDI - You Deserved It
CLM - Clueless mod
PTB - Power-Tripping Bastardah, so you’re trolling… fun
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